I can't really be bothered going through the messages right now, but regarding the votes:
Bijou (1) - Corvid
Autumnwind (1) - Spacejam,
Corvid (3) - JLo, ThatLaggyPerson, Insertname
Spacejam (1) - Dean
What's the reasoning behind the votes? and if they're just meme votes, why bother.
I think i recall a thing where corvid voted for bijou for no reason and that's why he has a couple votes atm?
Would be nice if Corvid could say why.
12/13/2016 07:56:14
Since this game has an odd number of players I feel like lynching today is still for the best because this is the only day that won't shorten the time till lylo. Looking at how previous games have gone we are likely to lynch inactive player at some point in this game. If we do it now lylo isn't any closer but if we do it later it will be.
12/13/2016 08:12:18
12/13/2016 08:12:18
MrL said:
I can't really be bothered going through the messages right now, but regarding the votes:
Bijou (1) - Corvid
Autumnwind (1) - Spacejam,
Corvid (3) - JLo, ThatLaggyPerson, Insertname
Spacejam (1) - Dean
What's the reasoning behind the votes? and if they're just meme votes, why bother.
I think i recall a thing where corvid voted for bijou for no reason and that's why he has a couple votes atm?
Would be nice if Corvid could say why.
corvid said that he wanted to get people to start discussion, but other than that, he hasnt talked since.
probs most inactive tied with muriki
12/13/2016 08:45:19
i've gone and thought about it a bit more and honestly i would really rather not deal with someone who's "naturally suspicious" later on in the game. this mainly goes for lachlanF (reading through the FE mafia makes me think he's the worst player ever even with a good role lmao) and corvid (seems to be borderline inactive at best). personally, i do think it would be a shame if laggy gets lynched right off the bat once again (doesn't surprise me that he's pushing for no lynch) but i'd understand why and wouldn't really care to defend him too hard. if yall wanna give no lynching a shot then go ahead i guess, i'm not gonna pretend i know the math behind it. i doubt power roles would have much intention of revealing themselves day 2 even if they land on a mafia at night, so i feel like we'd probably be stuck in the same situation as today ("well i guess we should just lynch someone who's quiet/annoying") though. also, corvid and murkiri are both at a tourney today (along with insertname and ghost) so don't expect em to talk much tonight.
12/13/2016 08:51:59
12/13/2016 08:51:59
I voted as a joke guys. Ignis isn't even playing the game!
12/13/2016 08:56:16
12/13/2016 08:56:16
Quick question to everyone, if we choose to lynch someone, who would we lynch and why?
12/13/2016 09:12:30
12/13/2016 09:12:30
It'd be someone who has acted the most anti-town/scummy. Whether through their actions, or the lack of actions (ie being inactive/not contributing).
Our aim at the moment is to let the day be dragged out for the maximum dialogue to be said. You might see some players be more pushy and impatient and typically those are mafia players who want minimal communication between town and quick lynches to occur.
12/13/2016 09:15:46
Our aim at the moment is to let the day be dragged out for the maximum dialogue to be said. You might see some players be more pushy and impatient and typically those are mafia players who want minimal communication between town and quick lynches to occur.
12/13/2016 09:15:46
People keep talking about 'gathering information' and all that jazz for day 1, but the fact of the matter is, unless people make an effort to poke and prod, mafia can just hang back and lurk, and town will accomplish jack diddly squat. That's why discussion is important; as Dean has mentioned earlier, town's most powerful weapons is its ability to speak and ability to vote. It's up to townies to do their part and contribute to the daytime discussion, as inconsequential as they may think their voices are (it isn't).
I normally hate giving out a reason for an initial vote since I don't really have to, but for the sake of getting discussion going, I'll spill. For the few games that I have played with Corvid, he has historically proven to be a liability to town, often lurking in the background providing little or no useful info to town discussion. The only reason he rears his head is when pressured, and more often than not that said pressure happens when townies demand that he post more. Moving forward, the town does not want anti-town behaviour hampering its progress and I personally believe that lynching anti-town benefits not only the town, but the gameplay experience of everybody currently playing the game.
With regards to a no lynch, I strongly disagree with this sentiment as town is potentially giving up an opportunity to apply pressure and collect precious information on a day in which information is scarce. Information on a day 1 lynch can be incredibly useful for a day 5 lynch, and giving up that power for a single day can compromise the flow of information for the rest of the game.
12/13/2016 10:56:23
I normally hate giving out a reason for an initial vote since I don't really have to, but for the sake of getting discussion going, I'll spill. For the few games that I have played with Corvid, he has historically proven to be a liability to town, often lurking in the background providing little or no useful info to town discussion. The only reason he rears his head is when pressured, and more often than not that said pressure happens when townies demand that he post more. Moving forward, the town does not want anti-town behaviour hampering its progress and I personally believe that lynching anti-town benefits not only the town, but the gameplay experience of everybody currently playing the game.
With regards to a no lynch, I strongly disagree with this sentiment as town is potentially giving up an opportunity to apply pressure and collect precious information on a day in which information is scarce. Information on a day 1 lynch can be incredibly useful for a day 5 lynch, and giving up that power for a single day can compromise the flow of information for the rest of the game.
12/13/2016 10:56:23
Ok I should actually throw in my two cents for the day before going to bed.
It's generally hard for a townie to actually be "anti-town", sure there are exceptions (Laggy quickhammering an innocent child (although this mostly stems from him getting lynched Day 1 every single game heh), Lachlan hinting at cop results he didn't get in Fire Emblem) but generally a player's existence isn't going to harm their faction.
SO I don't think getting rid of Laggy or whoever actually "increases town's overall strength" as JLo said on Page 6.
We should lynch day 1, yes this is our least informed lynch but it's not completely uninformed (we have a day's worth of player-player interactions to look into) and lynching is our only way to kill scum, we cannot win if we don't make lynches and as far as I'm concerned the more town-aligned kills we can make the better.
I highly encourage every townsfolk to post often, the more interactions, posting habits we garner the stronger position we're in. If you're scum then just stay silent so we can vote you off though please.
Ask questions, answer questions that others posed to the group... General thoughts on the game at hand, anything is fine.
There will be fellows that still say barely anything though, like Corvid (played in around four games now, said barely anything in any of them) but most of these players are veterans now and I think I have enough info to distinguish between bad town and scum.
Murkiri is an exception though, hasn't looked to say much, could either be the next Haiku (said nothing in Fire Emblem, was town) or the next Basty (said nothing last game, was scum).
MrL, I voted SpaceJam initially as a random vote (everyone who hasn't voted, your vote can be used to push discussion forward!) but right now he had added precisely zero to discussion apart from bad memes, yeah I'm meta gaming a little from past games but he hasn't quite been that bad before so I'm happy where I stand.
12/13/2016 12:05:15
It's generally hard for a townie to actually be "anti-town", sure there are exceptions (Laggy quickhammering an innocent child (although this mostly stems from him getting lynched Day 1 every single game heh), Lachlan hinting at cop results he didn't get in Fire Emblem) but generally a player's existence isn't going to harm their faction.
SO I don't think getting rid of Laggy or whoever actually "increases town's overall strength" as JLo said on Page 6.
We should lynch day 1, yes this is our least informed lynch but it's not completely uninformed (we have a day's worth of player-player interactions to look into) and lynching is our only way to kill scum, we cannot win if we don't make lynches and as far as I'm concerned the more town-aligned kills we can make the better.
I highly encourage every townsfolk to post often, the more interactions, posting habits we garner the stronger position we're in. If you're scum then just stay silent so we can vote you off though please.
Ask questions, answer questions that others posed to the group... General thoughts on the game at hand, anything is fine.
There will be fellows that still say barely anything though, like Corvid (played in around four games now, said barely anything in any of them) but most of these players are veterans now and I think I have enough info to distinguish between bad town and scum.
Murkiri is an exception though, hasn't looked to say much, could either be the next Haiku (said nothing in Fire Emblem, was town) or the next Basty (said nothing last game, was scum).
MrL, I voted SpaceJam initially as a random vote (everyone who hasn't voted, your vote can be used to push discussion forward!) but right now he had added precisely zero to discussion apart from bad memes, yeah I'm meta gaming a little from past games but he hasn't quite been that bad before so I'm happy where I stand.
12/13/2016 12:05:15
Since Ghost has posted, I will start sending out inactivity timers starting now. Inactivity timers will start counting down from now.*
12/13/2016 12:15:44
12/13/2016 12:15:44
Yeah sorry about all the shitposting. I've been on some painkillers for a few days due to a health issue (hence why i said i might not be on for a week) and that has probably affected me slightly.
To actually input stuff so far, every game on this forum has gone for a lynch night one. mathematically its in towns favour to not go for it unless if someone messes up or there is a hard read (right?)
As for whats happened this game the only things i thought were notable were
AutumnWind saying he didnt want the day to be 7 pages long (oops)
Bijou is giving me Pazx vibes from an earlier game.
Corvid and Muriki being inactive is pretty lame tbh
12/13/2016 12:47:24
To actually input stuff so far, every game on this forum has gone for a lynch night one. mathematically its in towns favour to not go for it unless if someone messes up or there is a hard read (right?)
As for whats happened this game the only things i thought were notable were
AutumnWind saying he didnt want the day to be 7 pages long (oops)
Bijou is giving me Pazx vibes from an earlier game.
Corvid and Muriki being inactive is pretty lame tbh
12/13/2016 12:47:24
Yes it's very lame that I can't add to stuff because most of the time I don't know what I'm doing
Vote: Unvote
12/13/2016 13:52:06
Vote: Unvote
12/13/2016 13:52:06
Soz been out today, got home forgot to check lol RIP.
But Still I'm hoping others can provide good reasons for whom to day 1 lynch for why someone should die. :) talk later on wednesday.
12/13/2016 14:26:56
But Still I'm hoping others can provide good reasons for whom to day 1 lynch for why someone should die. :) talk later on wednesday.
12/13/2016 14:26:56
Essentially I'm just encouraging people to think for themselves. Sheep mentality loses games.
Like everyone says we need to lynch day 1. Don't believe the hype. Make your own decision.
I'd still prefer to make a lynch though. Just don't have the mentality that you need to go with the flow just because that seems to be the consensus of the town.
I do not know what these Pazx vibes Dale speaks of are, please enlighten me if these are good or bad lol
12/13/2016 15:35:04
Like everyone says we need to lynch day 1. Don't believe the hype. Make your own decision.
I'd still prefer to make a lynch though. Just don't have the mentality that you need to go with the flow just because that seems to be the consensus of the town.
I do not know what these Pazx vibes Dale speaks of are, please enlighten me if these are good or bad lol
12/13/2016 15:35:04
It was probably him just not being able to read but I find it suspicious that Mr. L insinuated that Luminescent wanted to no lynch.
Luminescent didn't say "no lynch" at all and was just saying to not blind/guess lynch.
I'm not all that confident in Mr. L being Mafia because he didn't condone the no lynch and he is activately contributing. I just want to here what he has to say about this.
On another note I'm also interested in what Luminescent has to say about lynching or who to vote for.
Also Tfw you can't just write Lumi cos there's two. Also Lachlan seems to be barely contributing at all. I'm gonna check what he was like early game last Mafia because I'm getting Mafia vibes from his very err lacklustre (is that the right word to expain it?) posts.
Probably just Lachlan being Lachlan. I'm not all that familiar with how he plays Mafia. So I had a looksy and Lachlan is playing a lot more passivly than he was in the last game.
1. He might be trying to not bring attention to himself because he is Mafia.
2. He might be just posting to meet the
activity requirements because he just doesn't feel like contributing or doesn't know what to do.
I'd point to the first option.
Vote: Lachlan
Well Lachlan?
Also (hah u say that too much) I meant hear not here from before* I say that too much * Lachlan's seems to have a thing for voting autumn wind as well .-.
12/13/2016 15:58:10
Luminescent didn't say "no lynch" at all and was just saying to not blind/guess lynch.
I'm not all that confident in Mr. L being Mafia because he didn't condone the no lynch and he is activately contributing. I just want to here what he has to say about this.
On another note I'm also interested in what Luminescent has to say about lynching or who to vote for.
Also Tfw you can't just write Lumi cos there's two. Also Lachlan seems to be barely contributing at all. I'm gonna check what he was like early game last Mafia because I'm getting Mafia vibes from his very err lacklustre (is that the right word to expain it?) posts.
Probably just Lachlan being Lachlan. I'm not all that familiar with how he plays Mafia. So I had a looksy and Lachlan is playing a lot more passivly than he was in the last game.
1. He might be trying to not bring attention to himself because he is Mafia.
2. He might be just posting to meet the
activity requirements because he just doesn't feel like contributing or doesn't know what to do.
I'd point to the first option.
Vote: Lachlan
Well Lachlan?
Also (hah u say that too much) I meant hear not here from before* I say that too much * Lachlan's seems to have a thing for voting autumn wind as well .-.
12/13/2016 15:58:10
@bijou
You seem to be acting town and trying to earn peoples trust. Pazx died night 1 so hopefully any protector roles this game (i assume there is at least 1) are smart this time round.
cj i've been reading how lachlan plays in other games and he sometimes appears as he doesn't want to play by not posting. like once he quick hammered himself iirc. I wouldn't mind hearing from him more other than "I hope someone else does all the work for me!"
12/13/2016 16:08:32
You seem to be acting town and trying to earn peoples trust. Pazx died night 1 so hopefully any protector roles this game (i assume there is at least 1) are smart this time round.
cj i've been reading how lachlan plays in other games and he sometimes appears as he doesn't want to play by not posting. like once he quick hammered himself iirc. I wouldn't mind hearing from him more other than "I hope someone else does all the work for me!"
12/13/2016 16:08:32
@CJ
Don't have much to say really, I misread it. Thought he was talking about lynching day 1 risks revealing roles so it's better to not lynch at all.
Good on you for pointing that out actually, it'll be good if you can pick up on other things throughout the game.
At the moment it looks like the two bigger leads are Corvid and Lachlan.
With lachlan, I think it's just him being bad in general, rather than being maf/scum but something to still look into if you see fit.
12/13/2016 22:05:42
Don't have much to say really, I misread it. Thought he was talking about lynching day 1 risks revealing roles so it's better to not lynch at all.
Good on you for pointing that out actually, it'll be good if you can pick up on other things throughout the game.
At the moment it looks like the two bigger leads are Corvid and Lachlan.
With lachlan, I think it's just him being bad in general, rather than being maf/scum but something to still look into if you see fit.
12/13/2016 22:05:42
Given that we have no information on day 1, everyone is equally likely to be mafia. That's why I'm generally in favour of lynching people who have historically been less helpful town members, since losing them is less harmful than losing someone who could potentially be more helpful later in the game.
Of course, this all assumes that people don't get a read on what the roles are during day 1, because I'm assuming that mafia wouldn't be dumb enough to give themselves away before anyone actually knows anything. Also I'm bad at reading people, so I don't really trust any vibes I get on day 1.
12/13/2016 22:57:23
Of course, this all assumes that people don't get a read on what the roles are during day 1, because I'm assuming that mafia wouldn't be dumb enough to give themselves away before anyone actually knows anything. Also I'm bad at reading people, so I don't really trust any vibes I get on day 1.
12/13/2016 22:57:23
Why do people sign up for this game if they know they that they won't contribute or don't care for the game .-.
12/13/2016 23:37:47
12/13/2016 23:37:47
I would like to try a no lynch day 1 but then what happens if we get no info then day 2 is pretty much the same
12/13/2016 23:40:53
12/13/2016 23:40:53
InsertName said:
I would like to try a no lynch day 1 but then what happens if we get no info then day 2 is pretty much the same
Why do you want to do a no lynch. It's giving us the same issue as day 1 and halting discussion. You said it yourself
12/13/2016 23:42:44
Actually, others have commented that town is likely to have a large number of power roles. If that is actually true, then a no lynch day 1 might actually be our best option, because 1) the chances of hitting a power town role day 1 are fairly high and 2) the chances of town gathering useful info during the first night are reasonable.
12/13/2016 23:48:49
12/13/2016 23:48:49
I'm going to quickly give my thoughts:
No lynch isn't going to accomplish anything or give us any info where if we lynch someone, we can get some player reactions that will help for further days such as Mafia defending each other etc.
So I'm up for a lynch, just don't know who yet.
12/13/2016 23:50:29
No lynch isn't going to accomplish anything or give us any info where if we lynch someone, we can get some player reactions that will help for further days such as Mafia defending each other etc.
So I'm up for a lynch, just don't know who yet.
12/13/2016 23:50:29
I would hope a power role wouldn't let us lynch them and would defend themselves enough.
12/14/2016 00:01:29
12/14/2016 00:01:29
Although it is likely we may hit a power role, like in Aero's previous game, I would be very surprised if there weren't any negative utility roles/useless roles thrown in to meme town. So yeah, we may hit someone decent with a lynch who can have an impact but we could also be removing a negative utility. You guys in favour of a no lynch also aren't looking at the bigger picture. Some arguments I've seen in favour of it
1) Our power roles will get useful information! … Except they aren't going to share any of this useful info on day 2 because that's suicide. And what if they don't get anything useful? The voting information and interactions between people from any day are invaluable in late game for finding out who could be maf. It will be useful. Letting someone live today that potentially has a power role they get to use once? I don't think that's really particularly beneficial, especially if they die before they reveal anything concrete.
2) We're gonna hit a town player! …Yeah that's unfortunate, but the information town can get from something like that is pretty handy in determining scum. So long as it isn't some meme laggy vote or something, then town can usually work out voting patterns and whatnot. The more town controlled kills we can have, the better off we will be.
Also just as an aside, going with a no lynch will just encourage mafia to sit back and lurk the thread rather than take part in discussion. Discussion that no lynching kind of kills anyway.
12/14/2016 00:19:38
1) Our power roles will get useful information! … Except they aren't going to share any of this useful info on day 2 because that's suicide. And what if they don't get anything useful? The voting information and interactions between people from any day are invaluable in late game for finding out who could be maf. It will be useful. Letting someone live today that potentially has a power role they get to use once? I don't think that's really particularly beneficial, especially if they die before they reveal anything concrete.
2) We're gonna hit a town player! …Yeah that's unfortunate, but the information town can get from something like that is pretty handy in determining scum. So long as it isn't some meme laggy vote or something, then town can usually work out voting patterns and whatnot. The more town controlled kills we can have, the better off we will be.
Also just as an aside, going with a no lynch will just encourage mafia to sit back and lurk the thread rather than take part in discussion. Discussion that no lynching kind of kills anyway.
12/14/2016 00:19:38