cmk

AzureWolf said:
There was a CrazyMonkeyKing who said something along the lines of, "All Indians are homophobic assholes" in the twitch chat after mistaking me for an Indian. If this is the same racist person, I'm amused more than anything else about his cry for maturity.

I'm gonna preface my post by saying I'm gonna try and keep this brief to avoid wasting both of our time.

First of all your account of what I said is completely incorrect. What I said was much closer to “Azurewolf do you think the majority of Indians are homophobic?”, I can’t get the exact quote because the messages were deleted on Twitch. I don’t swear or cuss so what you’re saying is clearly embellished. There’s clearly a massive difference between what you accused me of saying and what I actually said. I neither accused all Indians of being “assholes”, or stated they were homophobic. I simply asked for your opinion on an issue.

Secondly, you only need to google “India homophobia” to realise that homophobia is a real problem in India. Being Indian myself I have plenty of Indian/Sri Lankan friends and have had many Indian co-workers. From personal experience there is a problem regarding homophobia amongst them. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/8618084/Homophobia-persists-in-India-despite-court-reforms.html here is one of the myriad of articles you can find regarding this topic.

Now that we’ve established,

A. your account of what I said is false
And
B. What I said is an actual contemporary issue

We can move onto context, specifically the context in which I posed my question.

Twitch chat. This exchange literally occurred on Twitch chat. Of course the question I asked doesn’t really have a place in a smash stream of all places but I was clearly messing around and everything I was saying was said in a lighthearted context. Trying to twist my words that were said in an informal atmosphere is extremely grimy. I don’t know how to embed images but some of my messages can be seen here. https://gyazo.com/a00259f1f89829b66be90fff579d3e1e I was clearly joking and messing around. What I said was at best a little bit inflammatory, nothing close to the racist you're accusing me of being. Different mediums require different levels of maturity. Trying to use my presence twitch chat as the pinnacle of my maturity is very flawed logic. One acts differently when you’re just joking around with people, when compared to, for example, presenting and explaining an idea on a message board.

tl;dr I didn’t call Indians “assholes”, homophobia in India is a real issue, context is important, twisting the words I say in twitch chat and then using them in an attempt to shame me is ridiculous and unwarranted.

Again, it looks like nothing constructive is going to be said, only rash and unreasonable attacks on my character. So I’m not going to respond to anything anyone else has to say.

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06/07/2016 13:43:05

Scott said:
cmk are you braindamaged, kira was just fucking joking around and then you call out someone else for not picking up on it in the same post

thats next level idiot

You're either young or just super immature because you have no idea what you're talking about. Think before you type. I'm gonna use this as my cue to go, I can see nothing constructive is going to be achieved. At the very least you can see how differently people can view this topic, Jezmo thinking there is no bias, Extra saying there's a bit of bias and Pudge admitting there is a bias. Hopefully people reflect on what I said and push themselves to adopt varying viewpoints on the situation.

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06/07/2016 08:43:52

Pudge said:
Like, I'm gonna john so hard for attila but he played like fucking shit at BAM8. Which sucks because its like his only fucking chance to prove himself. No OoS players (Besides SA people) have a reason to believe Attila is any good, which is why I understand people don't value him as much, but he is truly an incredible player, when he's on, his neutral is top 5 in australia. Unfortunately he played like shiiiiiiit at BAM8 so I don't really expect people to be swayed by my post, but if you currently don't think he's that good, just keep an eye out for him incase he goes OoS again, you might be surprised.

On top of this, cmk, There is bias, undoubtedly, but thats because we only get to play your players 2 times a year, and say one of those times your guys weren't playing our perception would be skewed from what you think. On top of that you guys just can't stack up to east coast numbers, statistically the game aint fair for y'all. More numbers = More chance for good players to pop up = more competition for the top 3 spot = people need to play their ass off and get better. You're annoyed that so many people are putting east coast over west coast cunnies but fam, we're the 3 best states in the game right now. Melbourne Alone has 200 active players (People who at least attend a tournament a month)

I feel like you're misunderstanding what I'm getting at. I said multiple times that Attila is very good. Something else to think about is how good someone can be seen as if they're apparently a top player in Australia but only make tied 17th at BAM8. Consistency is part of what makes a player good.

Again you're not really reading what I'm saying. I never said WA should occupy the majority of the spots, you're putting those words in my mouth. I'm just saying that's there are characters that WA have contention for that people simply dismiss.

kiraboshi said:

I think it's telling that instead of defending yourself or discussing the topic at hand, you just post gif instead. Humility is important.

Invisi said:
Because he's never travelled outside QLD, and like I'm assuming is the case for most non-QLDers in this thread, I had no idea he even played Corrin at all. You can't say it's biased when we can't realistically be expected to know about it.

He was being sarcastic. It seems that some of the people here lack critical thinking skills and resort to sarcastic comments/images when their opinions are challenged.

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06/07/2016 05:48:29

MrL said:
You're trying to make this whole thing about me when it's not. You seemed to have missed the part where people didn't even mention Peahnuts. Take a step back to think and realise that you could be wrong.

Incorrect. The same can be said about anyone who feels the same way you do.

Besides its pretty clear that Orion is seen as the best falcon, and Poppt1 is the best Ness.

The only case that can be made with what you're saying is Peahnuts. Even then that is from recent results, while most of these lists are from months ago.

To be honest it just sounds like you're repeating things you've heard other people say without thinking at all. I don't understand how you can legitimately say me/Kevin have no case for sheik when Eternal and I both lost to the same person with the difference being only a set. Even the recent lists made no mention of Peahnuts.

Extra said:
people forget about WA because a) the amount of interaction between WA and every other scene is comparatively little (first was really DIAD and only poppt stood out, SXC was basically just joel, none at smashbox, BAM was the main one but like maribro said it was one event) and b) due to this it's hard to look at WA results and say "wow that's a pretty legit win" aside from like, when someone beats poppt. if your players aren't leaving an impression at interstate events that make people consider them as the best of their character, then that isn't the east coast's fault really. this is why people said kira > peahnuts, cause even though she's in a slump recently her out of state results pre-bam have been consistently impressive. remember that time she won your major?

like, all the east coast scenes have long established histories with many of our top players being brawl vets that have played for years against each other, whereas WA doesn't have that, so it's hard to point at victories in your scene and use them as proof cause the reference points aren't nearly as good.

for the record i think joel is closer to someone like scabe than attila (from the perspective of someone who has played all 3 of them). his edgeguarding, mindgames and neutral aren't as good. he's better at not SDing tho.

You made a lot of good points though I feel like you're holding onto old results too strongly. Smash 4 is new and people can improve quickly. Recent results are much more relevant over ones that happen close to a year ago. I understand what you're saying but there's still clearly preference to eastern players with players not being mentioned/all the other stuff I've already said. How long does somebody have to be in a slump before you just admit that everyone else has just improved?

I understand what you're saying about Brawl, but Smash 4 has been out long enough that deciding who's a good player based on Brawl is really, really outdated. Skill is skill no matter who you're playing.

From when I played, Attila is really good at ledgetrapping/guarding but had a linear neutral which was sorta easy to exploit. I'd say Joel's strength is in his neutral and combos/followups. But yeah I was just giving another example of another good Perth player who's overlooked.

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06/06/2016 14:14:56

dean said:
Honestly forgot about Kevin and Peahnuts when I made my list, if I did mine again they would be around the mark. I was under the impression that Pudgeyboy hadn't entered anything super recently though.

That's sorta what I'm getting out. People just forget about WA. If they didn't forget, they just try to downplay their victories or achievements and try to write them off as luck or something like that. This in a nutshell is the east coast bias.

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06/06/2016 13:16:45

MrL said:

cmk said:
You're missing the point I'm not saying I'm straight out better than Eternal. It's the fact that people aren't even thinking of Me/Kevin as a possibility. The same applies with Attila, maybe he's better than Joel, maybe he's not. The fact is that the majority of the east coast simply dismiss Perth players.

Just because people didn't reach the conclusion that you were the best, it doesn't mean they didn't consider you.

You're trying to make this whole thing about me when it's not. You seemed to have missed the part where people didn't even mention Peahnuts. Take a step back to think and realise that you could be wrong.

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06/06/2016 13:02:06

You're missing the point I'm not saying I'm straight out better than Eternal. It's the fact that people aren't even thinking of Me/Kevin as a possibility. The same applies with Attila, maybe he's better than Joel, maybe he's not. The fact is that the majority of the east coast simply dismiss Perth players.

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06/06/2016 12:33:58

Pazx said:
If you assume WA and VIC are roughly the same skill level it would be perfectly logical to assume that a top 2 player from one region is likely better than a top 7 player from the other, I don't see how there's any east coast bias there at all unless you honestly think Perth is a significantly stronger scene than Melbourne. WA is still a big unknown in a lot of ways but we aren't out to get you guys.

You're using a PR as the sole metric to decide who's the better marth. Joel has been rated higher than 5th on every other PR and I personally think he should've been tied for 2nd. If that was the case, all of a sudden they're equal. You're just being very dismissive of the idea of someone being as good with marth as Attila.

I understand what you're trying to say. It's just that you're looking for any possible reason to put down Perth players. Instead of say discussion their merits as players, you're just trying to find any other reason why you can prop Attila on a pedestal and call him the best Marth. "there's absolutely no contest there. "

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06/06/2016 12:29:38

Jezmo said:

Maribro said:
The problem is, we only have one big tournament to base all this stupid conjecture off of and even then, some players who have a very valid claim to being the best at certain characters (any of the Luigis, Killy's Sonic) were completely missing. Saying Attila places consistently well at Vic monthlies is as good evidence to him being the best Marth as it is that Joel consistently places well at all Perth locals. Eastern states seem to place more worth in their local tourneys than ours, which I think is where some of this Eastern states' bias is coming from.

Pazx said:
what characters can WA actually claim to have the best player of aside from Ness and maybe Falcon/Sheik? srs question

Ness, ZSS, Falcon, Sheik, DK (if Sable continues the form he showed on Thursday), Luigi, Mario (if Exor comes back to tourneys again), Toon Link (assuming Corpse cannot be counted), Shulk could all potentially be claimed by WA people.

I tried the be diplomatic last post, but there's no way you guys even potentially win in that many categories. The reason Victoria holds their local placings in higher regard than yours is because, and this might trigger you a bit, they're a comfortably stronger region at this point.

Hydro is the best DK, Jdizz is the best Tink outside of maybe Corpse, Eternal is probably best Sheik and Ignis has every right to claim best Mario,

This'll sound condescending AF, but just keep improving. I reckon since SXC you guys are definitely the most improved region, so keep doing what you're doing. Don't claim East coast bias though when it's fairly obvious why people seem to rate mains from Vic a little higher.

I messing around a bit above, Ghost, Con, Atilla and anyone else I mentioned are all amazing players. I was sad to hear that he dropped Sheik and I'm happy that he picked her back up. Now I'm not Will and I'm not saying that WA is the strongest scene, cos it's definitely not. But there is absolutely no doubt that there is bias. Going off the characters I listed.

Literally nobody mentioned Peahnuts when he solidly outplaced Kira at BAM. The fact that it wasn't even a toss up between him or KIra shows how sidelined WA is compared to the rest of Australia.

For Sheik, Eternal and I both lost to Nikes at BAM, me 3-2 and Eternal 3-0, with the only difference in our placings being one set. Despite that, again no one even mentioned me or even Kevin, who I consider to be better than me and is also above me on PR. Nikes would probably have some good insight.

Luigi is a massive toss up, but I just listed him because Pazx asked for which characters WA had the potential for. Pudgy beat Earl at DIAD and is very good. Poppt1 also has a good luigi lol.

Ness. Everyone agrees.

Marth. Attilla and Joel have very different strengths and weaknesses and I threw in the "probably" there because it's a toss up. They're both very good and had comparable results at BAM and yet no one mentions Joel.

It's blatantly obvious how strong the bias is. Literally read what Pazx just wrote,

"if I knew absolutely nothing about either player aside from their results and PR placements in their respective regions i would be much more frightened of #2 on the Vic PR than someone who is tied for 5th on the WA PR, there's absolutely no contest there."

tl;dr stronk east coast bias

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06/06/2016 11:38:19

Invisi said:
WA has Ness, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that.

Sheik is arguable, but Eternal did outplace you at BAM with Sheik so Ghost isn't even your main competition.

Luigi and Marth, almost definitely not. You may have beaten Attila at BAM, but he still placed 17th and places consistantly well at VIC monthlies. And I don't know on what basis you can argue that WA has the best Luigi when neither Jeese (aka Randy Savage) nor Archaze were at BAM to showcase their skill.

I think Kevin is better than Eternal and me.

I'm not basing anything off placings, I'm just basing it off playing them. Attila and Joel are around the same. Luigi is purely opinion based because none of the best Luigi's went to BAM. WA at least has contention.

I'm glad Peahnuts being the best zss is undisputed though.

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06/06/2016 04:22:47

Pazx said:
what characters can WA actually claim to have the best player of aside from Ness and maybe Falcon/Sheik? srs question

WA has the best sheik, zss, luigi, ness and maybe marth

And before you tell me ghost is the best sheik, lets remember how his sheik couldn't beat the fox that didn't make it out of bam pools

Being the best of your character doesn't matter if you're not PR. It just means no one plays that characer.

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06/06/2016 03:34:46

a LOT of east coast bias in this thread

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06/05/2016 10:39:03

glacier, luco, empire, trunkle, bijou, light, urisk, M, invisi and deku tree are all cool d00ds

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05/17/2016 09:35:13

games?

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12/22/2015 05:08:56

tfw

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12/21/2015 07:59:56

Buster I'll play for a bit

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12/21/2015 07:54:38

LOL rip lost my jump, 2 more gg's

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12/19/2015 12:31:31

couple more salad

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12/19/2015 12:25:11

sure add me

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12/19/2015 11:57:12

games?

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12/19/2015 11:29:33

games anyone?

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11/30/2015 11:46:02

gg's! I learned a lot thanks ahahah

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11/21/2015 01:55:44

couple more kokeshi then I'm off

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11/21/2015 01:36:25

ooo we'll see how the lag from WA to NZ is lol, send me a friend request and I'll join you after this for glory game

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11/21/2015 01:07:03

Games anyone?

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11/21/2015 01:03:08