dean

Aerodrome said:
I just thought Windkeeper was more likely to die at night than Shane.

As a town bodyguard you need to be VERY certain that the player you're targeting is town because protecting a mafioso from getting shot by the opposing team and dying because of it is an absurd way to die, and it seems like you've claimed to have protected someone that you're not too sure about.

Out of Aerodrome and asa... I think Aerodrome's the more likely to be mafia. At the very least his claims make less sense.

VOTE: Aerodrome

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04/19/2019 03:45:17

Bijou said:
Okay seems fair unless Dean can say otherwise.

I have zero way to know if anyone targeted me last night.

Aero why did you target Windkeeper0 instead of Shane, considering that you were confident that Shane was town as soon as he abstained from the JEANS lynch?

Sorry for lurking but this thread is such a mess I don't know what to post most of the time.

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04/19/2019 03:28:58

Invisi said:
Hey guys sorry I've been at church all morning just got home.

So extension or...?

Pls post in three minutes. Extension it is.

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04/19/2019 01:58:10

Yes I'm here. I'm just not too sure that I like this.
I guess I'll hammer in five minutes.

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04/19/2019 01:49:48

So you knew that at least three of these players were mafia:
asa, Aerodrome, Windkeeper0, JonCheee, Extra, dean

And you've spent the last three weeks making half-hearted pushes at Maribro and when you were put under pressure you deflect onto Laggy?

I don't really think that I like this.

I guess we have five players online now so if we want to change lynch targets we just need a few more.

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04/19/2019 00:45:38

So you're saying that out of:
asa, Boozer, Aerodrome, Windkeeper0, JonCheee, dean, Extra

Three of these players are mafia?
I know that I'm town and if you're telling the truth you're... probably town (I guess mafia sensor is possible) then that would narrow it down to three of:
asa, Aerodrome, Windkeeper0, JonCheee, Extra

Do I believe you though? I know for a fact that Invisi thinks that Sensor is a dumb role and this version really isn't any better than the version found in Ultimate Mafia.

If you knew this why would you push onto Maribro?

At this stage only three people have posted this morning and we have 90 minutes left so it's looking like either lynch Cameron or no lynch.

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04/19/2019 00:28:02

OK. Anyone that's awake and checking the thread please post that you're doing so? If we want to lynch a non-Boozer we'll need a bunch of players online.

For Jon:
I think prioritizing Laggy over Blaze could be justified because Laggy was like the only player in the thread that hadn't posted anything of substance (mostly activity posts or gibberish) and Blaze had at least posted some coherent thoughts once or twice.
Doesn't necessarily exonerate Jon but I don't think we can really push him with three hours left.
If we want to look at the Jon/Blaze link I am OK with lynching Blaze though. Maybe because he's annoying me. He's called me scummy twice now for "leading town" but not Bijou?

BattleDolphin said:
I was just thinking the same thing reeee

What do we dooooo

Vote for who you think the mafia are.


Reiterating to anyone who's online: please post.

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04/18/2019 22:49:33

Why does no one ever say “I’m mafia” instead?

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04/18/2019 11:28:28

I do like that Jon just came and posted and didn't even acknowledge Aerodrome's arguments against him. Wow I can't believe Jon thought that Aero wasn't worth responding to.

OK so with Boozer:
He annoyed me on Day 1 when I was debating with Maribro when he jumped in and basically said "you can't necessarily trust Dean guys!" which isn't wrong but with the timing of his statement (before the argument had really taken off) it felt to me as if he was sowing seeds of doubt into other players' eyes and weakening my arguments, so I was considering a Boozer / Maribro link at that point.

Was this extremely biased of me? Yes because I don't know either of their factions at this point.

Come Day 2 he made about four (relevant) posts, three of them relating to Maribro. Then shrugs it off as just a meme. So in my biased mind I saw this as a form of distancing. His posts didn't really seem like memes? Considering that looking through his post history the only analysis of actual players that he's done has been related to Maribro, even if it doesn't seem to be great theories ("Maribro could have been putting heat on someone not on his team" and "voting for our innocent child is anti-town")

How natural did Maribro's post come across when he remonstrated with Boozer?

Anyway, enough of my crazy theories.
I'm still OK with Boozer lynch though. Has wagonhopping (admittedly he was the first voter on JEANS) and it IS strange that for the most part his relevant posts have been made with regards to Maribro)

Going out now, might post more later tonight. Will look into Jon. OK with Blaze lynch. Ship's sailed on an Aerodrome wagon?
17 hours left btw.

ThatLaggyPerson said:

Bijou said:

Aerodrome said:
Sorry I don't mean to withhold info, but looking over his posts yesterday (I only really looked at his overview when he voted for me) and I noticed he's borderline obsessive with Laggy's inactivity compared to Blaze who for some reason he's totally ignored. I think he mentioned Laggy like 8 times and Blaze once which is ????

Thoughts?

True, looking through his post history he does seem to mention Laggy quite regularly. I'm not sure how this information is helpful though lol.

i definitely think that hes hiding something that we don't know about at this point. considering he has been pushing me, you and multiple other people for answers (he did the same for jeans but does that really count?). hes hiding something, probably just waiting until he goes down to L-2

If there's a Mafia Hall of Fame then this post should be in it.

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04/18/2019 09:14:32

UNVOTE

I don't mean to disappear but uh a project I was working on that I thought was due in two months is now due at the end of next week so I've kind of got my hands full. Tonight we're going out for my brother's birthday as well so not sure how much time I'll have. Will try to be here from 5:30 to 7:30 and again in the later evening.

@mods can you ping me on Discord if someone gets to L-3 or something

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04/18/2019 00:46:16

VOTE: asa I thought the game would have a little more urgency considering we're close to deadline but there were only 12 posts made yesterday by seven different players.

Any chance of kicking Ben out and replacing him with someone that actually wants to play? I don't mean to minimod but it's unreasonable to have a player that's been absent for over a week to continue to be in the game.

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04/16/2019 23:49:14

OK let me have a look. This is mostly a stream of consciousness so I don't really expect too many people to read this but it does help show how I came to the conclusions that I did.

I don't think that the Kirby claim is relevant and it seems we've moved on from that.


Bijou: "Part II never came out"
asa: "Part II was based off Bijou's interactions with other players and was based off assumptions so never posted it"

asa said this at the bottom of his vs. JEANS post: "Do you see why I was originally going for you bijou, Ive realised I was getting far too ahead of myself here."
So it DOES seem likely that Part II was originally going to be about Bijou's interactions, and I can relate to that somewhat (when I was debating with Maribro I was also taking notes of other players' actions during the debate)
But the awkward transition between the "yeah Part II is coming lynch me if it doesn't come out tomorrow" into "part II never"? No official confirmation that Part II wasn't coming until three weeks after the fact?

Part II is really good btw probably the best JoJo part but Vento Aureo is turning out really good as well.


Bijou: "asa did not back down after JEANS claimed doctor and threw suspicion at the players that WERE backing down"
asa: "there were too many inconsistencies with what JEANS was saying to back down"

I had another look through asa's posts from that night.
The main things I can gather from the posts about why he thought that JEANS was still suspicious:
He was doubtful that Bijou's reasoning that JEANS could not have made up a detailed fakeclaim by himself was reasonable, because doctor protecting from only one kill is standard.
AND: he doubted that the role would specify the protect would fail if both Light and Dark targeted the same person.

I think that these are reasonable statements (because I also brought them up that night and again when Bijou questioned me today), but does that justify things? Is it reasonable for a townsfolk to hold the above thoughts and still aggressively push for a lynch on a player that is claiming doctor?
Because I think that would be the most interesting point about this exchange.


asa: "I was trying to figure it (I'm assuming "it" is the Bijou/JEANS relationship) out before MrL ended the day"
Bijou: "No, if this was true you would have unvoted because L-1 is too risky"

Let me think.
Should we suspect that a player is at imminent risk of death when they are on L-1? Can we claim extenuating circumstances that our Innocent Child was craving attention so badly he'd hammer someone and use his lynch immunity to escape the consequences?

I think that... we should. I think that I mentioned earlier in the thread that we should treat L-2 as L-1 because of dipshits like Ben.
But it's kind of hard for me to say this because I come out looking like a hypocrite (which is another one of the reasons I put off posting about asa; because it's hard to say "Haha yes well said Bijou I agree" without looking hypocritical).

Are there any circumstances where it could have been reasonable to keep your vote on a player at L-1 claiming Doctor?
From my point of view, I genuinely didn't think that the inconsistencies I pointed out in one of my posts could have been reasonably resolved, and I certainly didn't think that I'd find a player that I'd find more suspicious than JEANS in the ~18 hours remaining.
But... asa did not say this, he said he was still trying to figure out things.


Bijou: "(asa being eager to kill JEANS/not backing down) is the biggest sign of him being anti-town"
asa: "it's not the doctor claim but the way he claimed"
Bijou: "JEANS responded to the inconsistencies in ways that made sense"

Repeating myself, but I think that some of the inconsistencies pointed out are reasonable.
I suppose something that caught my eye from this exchange was the very broad phrasing of "numerous inconsistencies" rather than bringing up specific examples or using previous quotes as evidence.


Bijou (quoting the "I'll look like a God post"): "I'm betting asa was mafia and thought that JEANS and I were on the other faction"
asa: "yes, I thought that there was a link between the two of you"
Bijou: "no; if I was bussing him I would have hammered him already and if I wasn't bussing I wouldn't have gotten involved with the train"

I think...
Why would asa the mafioso be more likely to think that Bijou and JEANS were mafia together than asa the townie?

This is making my head hurt.
I think that some of this depends on how strongly asa believed in the JEANS / Bijou link because speaking from experience if you've convinced yourself of something in mafia it can be hard to shake off these biases.
This doesn't look great for asa because he did a very poor job of establishing a Bijou / JEANS link in his earlier posts. The main thing I can see is his post quoting JEANS where JEANS said that he thought that Bijou was town, but he didn't say anything after quoting it; just posted an ellipsis.

I think that Bijou's counterargument isn't especially strong because he's making a lot of assumptions that asa would know exactly how Bijou would play.
For example, let's say that Bijou and JEANS WERE on a mafia team together - they could have pre-established (either before the game started or if mafia had daytalk) that if one of them was in trouble they would claim doctor. Bijou could then have pretended to threaten to hammer (but with no intent to actually do so (but try to act as convincingly as possible)) knowing that JEANS would then claim doctor and then back off.
Judging by asa's posts this is what he was suspicious of because he said that he thought Bijou was too quick to back off.

So the question here is that is this REALISTIC? Is it reasonable to think that asa read the exchanges between Bijou and JEANS that night and come to the conclusion that Bijou was acting?


Bijou: "you were playing with your own best interests at heart, not town's"
asa: "lynching a player that I thought was scum IS in the best interests of town"

I think this part was a matter of tone in the quoted post, which doesn't reflect well on asa.
Is it realistic for a townie to come across so confidently?


asa's response to the questions on the vote on Boozer seem reasonable...


Bijou: "he didn't vote for JEANS to get information/ask questions, he voted for JEANS because JEANS was vocal against him"
asa: "that's misrepresentation"

I think I agree with Bijou here; if the questions were supposed to be in the big vs. JEANS post made late in the day that was made more than a week after the initial vote was placed.


OK I think that's it.
I'll write a tl;dr of my main thoughts:
I'd like to see asa go into more depth into his thoughts on the Bijou / JEANS link UP TO the point that he made vs. Bijou Part I
Depending on the above, is it realistic to pursue a Bijou / JEANS link based off Bijou's actions on the night JEANS got lynched?
And (apart from defending himself) he seems to have mainly gone after Bijou again today. Why?

So I think in writing this I became a little more confident on an asa lynch (depending on his next rebuttal).
I think I might still like to lynch Aerodrome more but won't shed any tears. There are a couple of others (I pretty much agree with Lachlan about Boozer and Blaze) that I'm becoming increasingly unsure about as well. Maybe they're all mafia? (maybe none of them are)
I'll put him on L-2 in the morning if he's not already so (but would really like to see another post before then)

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04/16/2019 10:38:42

Might have to wait until after I get home I've written uhh about 700 words and don't really feel close to finishing.

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04/16/2019 06:41:05

Bijou said:

Dean said:asa:
Verdict: having a look at the debate so far now
(in other words I'm breaking this post up here because it's already pretty long and I didn't even go into that much depth)

Can I actually get your opinion on this? I've been on Asa's case for a while now and you keep not commenting on it. I value your opinion quite highly and I feel like you keep ignoring the issue.

Sorry. I wrote up about half a page of notes last night but I thought you were probably going to write a rebuttal to his most recent post soon (as I saw you posted that morning) so postponed it until after that.

I'll read through your new post and modify my notes if they're not appropriate but I have a meeting soon so might not get to it until 4 or 5.

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04/16/2019 03:08:29

Aerodrome said:
I've narrowed down who the mafia are imo but it's really just my instincts and I find it hard to put into words the reasons why. I feel Dean and JonCheee at least don't care about my opinion though.

Uhh...
Have I given you the impression that I'm being unreasonable or not listening to you or something?

Your behaviour is really confusing me.

VOTE: Aerodrome

I encourage everyone that hasn't voted yet as well to place a vote on someone (anyone). We should work towards putting someone on L-2 sooner rather than later so we don't have to wait until deadline for someone to claim cop or something.

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04/15/2019 23:42:11

UNVOTE

I feel bad for not doing anything for the past five days or so but then I remember that about half the players are much worse than me at that.

I have a bit of time now so I'll try to read through and write something up before lunch. OK so.
What do I KNOW?

I know that I'm town, I know that MrL is town, I know that JEANS is town and I know that Ghostbone is mafia (Dark faction specifically).
So I know that at least three of these 12 players are mafia:
Aerodrome
asa
Extra
ThatLaggyPerson
JonCheee
Windkeeper0
Bijou
Maribro
BattleDolphin
Blaze
LtLongshot
Boozer

Ghostbone was part of the "it's possible there are four mafia on each team" party so maybe we should look further into that group? Thinking emoji.
I say this in jest. Mostly. I think.

I don't think that I'm super suspicious at this stage of these players:
ThatLaggyPerson (seems like a village idiot)
BattleDolphin (reading through the last game he's kind of a bad liar so I think I'd have more suss feelings of him by now if he was mafia?)
LtLongshot (are you alive? please post)
And maybe... Bijou (if he's mafia he's a better actor than I gave him credit for)

So for the others...
Boozer:
I could write a lot more but I'll keep this brief. Do you actually think that Maribro is mafia, and if so, why?
Also can you not vote to extend the deadline and then not post, please.

Maribro:
I haven't really brought it up but my opinion hasn't changed since Day 1.

Windkeeper0:
I've cooled a little bit. I don't really like how he's playing but I don't think he's a priority lynch today.

Blaze:
I also don't really like how he's playing and now he's gone into yet another long absence (since Wednesday night). I'm growing a little impatient and wouldn't mind lynching him today.

JonCheee:
Uhhh neutral, I guess...

Aerodrome:

Aerodrome said:

Maribro said:

Aerodrome said:
1. because people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town

Aerodrome said:
Does it? Hypothetically what if Dean was mafia and knew none of his team were on the JEANS lynch train? You would be happy blindly following the "most of the mafia have to be on this train" narrative?

Care to elaborate?

Not particularly. I can't even find that first post in my post history so I don't remember the context. Read the context and use your (PLURAL) heads for once. Why are all of you quoting my posts and being like "what does this mean?" when the answer to your questions are either in the posts you're quoting or extremely obvious?

Find it in your post history? That first quote was on the very same page as the post I'm quoting now.

The context was that you called Bijou town because he didn't lynch JEANS (town).
"people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town" -> so we won't find many mafiosi NOT on the town lynch wagon, so where would we'd find them? The only other place is ON the lynch wagon.
Maribro's pointing out your backflip when this line of thought was used against you.

Did you miss my questions from the bottom half of Page 19?


In summary I think I'm becoming increasingly OK with lynching Aerodrome today.

Extra:
I could make a longer post but in general I haven't liked his game so far but it's kind of hard to put into words why so I haven't really bothered with it so far. Plus I'm not sure how much momentum a train would gather and I like to keep the amount of effort I use in not getting results to a minimum.

asa:
Verdict: having a look at the debate so far now
(in other words I'm breaking this post up here because it's already pretty long and I didn't even go into that much depth)

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04/15/2019 04:42:36

i’ve been a little busy / lazy lately so haven’t really been posting as much.

We haven’t received confirmation that the deadline’s being extended so I’ll play as if it won’t be? And jump on a bandwagon a little later tonight as I’m going out soon for a few hours.

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04/13/2019 07:40:27

Invisi can we have a little more transparency in the mod prods? Have you contacted Lachlan? Has he contacted you? Is there any particular reason he hasn't managed even one single post in the last 10 days?

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04/10/2019 23:52:01

MrL said:
I also think Aero might be onto something with blaze :x he got super strop about me saying he's inactive too, might be a sign of being overdefensive from being mafia :eyes:

Yeah he was pretty snarky towards Aero earlier in the game as well. Not sure what to make of it.

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04/10/2019 02:33:53

I don't think that voting for Ben Gold would do anything because there's no chance that Invisi hasn't been hounding up a player that hasn't posted in more than a week.

So what's the plan guys? Waiting for Gong attendees to come back to life?

I feel like picking on the other inactives in the meantime.
VOTE: Blaze; any particular reason you haven't posted in the last four days? If I had two more votes I'd vote for Boozer and ThatLaggyPerson as well.

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04/08/2019 23:21:54

JonCheee said:
laggy never going to give his opinion ever

Years of LYNCH LAGGY have turned him into a shell of his former self.


Answer my damned questions from Thursday Blaze.


I'm looking forward to Ben Gold making his first post of the day at some point.

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04/07/2019 23:51:13

I was having a little trouble distinguishing my banner colour from yours on my new computer so I changed it.

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04/06/2019 12:04:30

Activity posts in English.

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04/06/2019 11:13:55

Bijou said:
I'm just putting it out there, but that's news to me. I thought whoever the doctor protected was immune to being killed that night unless there was a strongman or something similar.

In that case it's highly likely Invisi wasn't aware of this either and that's why he specified it. But now that you've said this I understand why you had an issue with the praising.

Repeating what was brought up on the night JEANS was lynched, but it's the first paragraph in the MafiaWiki article on Doctor.

Bijou said:I notice you didn't mention anything about me saying you're still alive being suspicious.

Sorry I was writing my response as I was reading your post and I got to the 1-2-3 bit and finished that and my brain was just like "OK done". It was hometime anyway.

I don't like speculating about night actions because there's WAY not enough information to work with. What could have happened?
1. Dark Mafia did not take action (night did go until deadline!)
2. Roleblocked by either town or Light Mafia
3. Protective role, either bulletproof (probably mafia), mafia doctor, mafia rolestopper, commuter or a second town protective role (probably jailkeeper)
4. Redirection? If both mafia target the same townie and a bus driver swaps that townie and Ghost then that's only one kill. There are one-sided redirectors as well.

As for why I, specifically, didn't die? I wish I knew. Mafia might be wary of other roles that dissuade them from making obvious kills, like Watchers. Maybe WIFOM if they thought the other faction would shoot me. Maybe they think I'm bad and all my Day 1 reads were wrong so they thought I'd come in Day 2 and try to get Maribro lynched again. Otherwise Roleblock / redirection are possibilities.

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04/05/2019 07:04:14

Aerodrome said:
A JEANS tactic is feigning ignorance.

Has he done this in a game before?

Aerodrome said:
Perhaps he took notes off you when you were mafia and wanting whoever it was at the time modkilled.

Which game was this?

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04/05/2019 06:46:55