Maribro said:No, I don't think that this explicitely made you suspicious.
I mean this is all well and good now that people have since posted about stuff but at the time was I really so wrong for calling them out? Yes they could have been holding things to their chest. Yes they could just be too lazy to explain (yeah that's really helpful to town). I don't see how me calling them out and encouraging them to go into more detail about why they've voted for Bijou is so wrong. Do you think I'm suss for this?
I raised this point to rebut you when you said that you were going to think harder about why people do what they do, which was a point you brought up to justify why you were acting differently from the last game to this one, and that you were trying EXTRA hard to help town win.
Why did you think: "Kinda gives me the feeling they both know something we don't???" What did you think that they know that we don't? (you seemed to come to the conclusion that they were probably mafia at this point judging by you adding them to your suss list; how did you come to this conclusion?)
I don't think it helps for you that when I prodded you about this first your response was "Look I can't explain everything, something just felt off about it.". This doesn't really help you in your endeavour to show that you were going to think harder about why people do what they do, or that you were trying extra hard for town.
Maribro said:And you think that there was no way that ANYONE else in the game could have interpreted his statements as even slightly suspicion-worthy? I find this very hard to believe.
I don't recall thinking anything Bijou said being particularly suspicious. I'll give you strange but I don't think any of it was necessarily suggestive that he is an anti-town player. Talking about game set up just made him look kinda naïve to me.
Maribro said:It seemed like a pretty soft call-out - you didn't ask them any questions or vote for them it was just kind of like "hey you guys did this and I thought it was weird".
Well they didn't attract much attention did they? I'm the only one that called them out on it.
Maribro said:Yes, because I disagreed with your interpretation. "I'm going to think about it and go with whatever I decide in that moment."? That's most certainly not how I interpreted the two statements.
I also explained what I meant by that apparent "contradiction" and you've seemingly ignored it and brought it up again.
I think that if you're "clearly announcing" to the thread that you're going to be playing weird then you'd want to do it in a way that brings about less misunderstandings, not in a "I'm going to be analysing posts and votes" -> gets called out for being weird -> "btw I'm going to be following my instincts" kind of way.
Maribro said:This is completely irrelevant. I scumread you when you were town in one game (a game in which you HAVE acted differently to the current game! a game in which I didn't even participate in!) so that means you're town this game? Am I supposed to never scumread you again?
If we're hardcore metagaming about the previous game, can I remind you that you scumread me for at least the majority of the game. Pretty much until BattleDolphin got lynched and subsequently confirmed me as town. I distinctly remember you calling for town to lynch me over him in the spectator chat.
Why did you respond by trying to make me and/or the town question my scumreading skills instead of addressing the argument?
Maribro said:My argument was that when you were called out for acting strangely you said that you had CLEARLY announced MULTIPLE times that you said that you were going to be acting differently. If these announcements are so cryptic that I didn't pick them up, or that you hadn't mentioned them up to this point, then I don't think they're worth discussing.
I mean, I can find more examples of my posts suggesting I'm listening to others' points of view about last game and learning from that. Would you like me to quote those for you?
Maribro said:Second post from the top on Page 9. LITERALLY the first word in the post.
Don't recall you asking me why, would love to see where this was asked.
Maribro said:Mafia Universe was not a recent occurance at all, and you mentioned in the thread for the last game that all you had to do was lynch Windkeeper and JEANS in any order to win. That was 100% correct and that's exactly what you did, and now you're sadboying about it?
Anyways, if you wanna know why I'm coming into this game with a different mindset, it's simple. I don't think I'm a very good mafia player in the grand scheme of things. My game on MU and seeing people discuss the last game on here kinda showed me I don't really look at things as in depth as I could. I absolutely glossed over a lot of important things and for example, I don't think I should have allowed Windkeeper to be lynched on the day he was lynched. That was definitely a misplay from me tbh, I should have tried much harder to stop that from happening cos I KNEW that JEANS was scum. I wanna get better at this game and improve and learn. Idk how this wasn't obvious through some of my posts already but yeah, this is why.
Bijou said:Alright then, I will take the liberty to not respond to this post and move on with the game because my head can only take so much Maribro.
Could I just point out that I'm not even trying to defend Maribro? I'm not really trying to argue he's town moreso than have a conversation with you explaining why I've been town reading him so far.
Actually I guess I will say one thing.
Bijou said:I think the main players you've seen placed under actually noteable pressure to be lynched have been Laggy, LachlanF, Corvid, Krasic and the legendary HydroPimp (gone but nor forgotten), not exactly a group of tryhard players.
I've noticed that when a townie gets put through the pressure cooker they tend to lose heart and give up trying
Bijou said:10 minutes to hometime so I might be brief.
What do you think of our other lynch options as a matter of interest? You've been focused on Maribro for a few days and I'm really curious on your views on other players too.
JEANS reasonably neutral, I think that his reactions towards asa were in-character and as someone who hasn't played WoL I can relate to the "what is a daikon" thing as I had similar thoughts.
I am annoyed that he seemed to miss this question from me though:
but nah Im gonna get around to beating it oneday im like 10 hours in or somemshit er last guy I beat was Galleom so I really have no idea what a dharkon is. I dont even know galeem is tbh and at the very start I thought light was town and not a 2nd mafia lel.
I have ZERO idea about anything World of Light related so bear with me. Why did you think that light would be town? Is ten hours into the game not far enough to establish that light would be an antagonistic force?
MrL maybe slightly more town-leaning because I think he'd be tryharding more if he was mafia (not good reasoning I know) but I wish he had said SOMETHING at least. Does he still think that JEANS is the most suspicious player?
asa I was neutral and then he disappeared.
I'd still be interested in Windkeeper addressing some points in one of my previous posts. It's been a few days and I got side-tracked by Maribro but I haven't forgotten.
Jon/Longshot idk sorry I'm out of time and I don't like phone posting so I'll see you all tomorrow you're free from Dean for the rest of the day.