If we're going into game balance, my role isn't actually that effective considering I can't prove anyone is mafia or not (aside from doctor once we know there's no SK, and probably courier can be assumed town), and I'm sure the mods considered that.
Plus if laggy wasn't mafia and didn't just instantly die mafia would have been inherently in a much stronger position all game. So I think our perspectives on what's a fair distribution of power roles is probably off.
A bit more in my defense is that a gunsmith is basically a cop clone without a town cop or vig to make the role slightly less effective. However it's true that town doesn't actually know whether they have a vig or cop or not so mafia can claim these roles in response to an accusation (while Miller roles are the equivalent for regular cop), so I guess it comes down to whether you think the mods are trying to mindgame us or not.
Plus if I was mafia then it's strange they mostly hit vanillas before everyone claimed. (A mafia with rolecop probably wouldn't waste extra kills firing blindly night 1). Since I investigated MrL night 1 it would have been easy to kill him night 2 or just let him get himself lynched day 3 which was the probable outcome considering all his inconsistencies. (And you can tell I was trying to nudge people away from voting MrL for a while before I had to claim)
Why would mafia care about being rolecopped? If they're vanilla it doesn't matter, if they're the role they claimed (But mafia aligned) it doesn't matter. Once everyone has claimed I'm worthless. Killing the confirmed townie is obviously better, since then mafia can do exactly what MrL has done and try to get me lynched for surviving even though I'm a power role.
Either you haven't really thought it through MrL, or you're just trying really hard to get someone lynched quick to win.
If you're wondering where strongman came from then it's clearly Hydro.
Mafia is probably MrL/Hydro or Battledolphin/Hydro judging by the fact that I wasn't quickhammered from 2 votes.
If you want to put yourself on a bunch of bandwagons and thus make yourself sus, then you'd definitely have used your power to be able to confirm yourself as town later on in the game.
"Why would I claim while not pressured?" because obviously it's incredibly suspicious if you try to hide your role while everyone else has claimed, that seems fairly obvious. Just because you didn't currently have votes on you doesn't mean they wouldn't have rolled in very soon.
Now we could wait and let me investigate Jlo (courier sounds like something that wouldnt be a mafia role) but that assumes that I live, and we would have to figure out someone else to vote off. I just said obvious twice in the same sentence A+ proofreading ghost
I mean in most mafia games the mods don't give you safe roles to claim, that just gives you extra information on what roles town doesn't have.
Finding a safe fake role claim is something mafia has to deal with every game. The reason character claiming is overpowered without a safe claim given is that characters give extra information to town that wouldn't be factored into the balancing.
So my original theory that Maribro/Battledolphin are the mafia is dead because at least 1 of the mafia left has some sort of power (since laggy was a backup)
If MrL isn't lying and he did protect Aero, then that role would be strongman? Otherwise that role is probably Mafia Doctor, being MrL.
Also no 2nd death again, is SK not killing to avoid watcher, or did they both target Aero, or is it the simpler answer of there is no SK? Supposedly there has to be an SK because there was no vigi claim, but maybe vigi has more than 1 shot and that's why they're not claiming?
BattleDolphin said: If you got vanilla then why were you still so adamant on lynching Maribro earlier today?
I already pointed out that vanilla can also mean a generic mafia member/SK.
Also obviously I'd rather lynch a potential vanilla townie over a potential town doctor.
I'm not in cahoots with MrL or anything, and at this point I think voting him off is a perfectly sensible decision for the rest of town considering there's no way to guarantee that I'm telling the truth.
MrL is odd night doctor. His watcher claim is very strange and I didn't really know how to respond to it immediately.
Also hi I'm town rolecop. I'm fairly safe to claim at this point because obviously doctor is a higher priority and watcher is probably also higher priority for mafia to kill because i can't tell the difference between a vanilla townie and mafia goon. (or mafia doctor/town doctor which might be the case right now??) Though I assume he just didn't want to claim doctor cos then he dies right away.
Also I find it amusing that both rolecop/gunsmith won't get any special result for targeting SK, hopefully Aero can figure that one out?