In his defense you reaaaally don't want to have to claim your role day 1, especially as doctor. If another role is forced to claim, they can at least hope that a doctor protects them (pretty good odds this game has 1 even if it's not JEANS)
So do we think he's just played extremely awfully as a townie so far, or that he's mafia? Since it's day 1 I'd rather take the occam's razor approach and say that someone who's made themselves look scummy is probably scum.
Thanks Dean and Bijou for doing the detective work for me Like in the event Jeans is town it's really unfortunate, but he's stumbled over his words and made himself as suspicious as possible this whole time so I'm also ok with someone hammering him at this stage.
JEANS said: to claiming role, I wanna see how more of town responds to what ive already said before I claim my role, that is assuming, nobody lynches me and actually gives me the chance. (lynch them after if they do this)
We've got like one day left can you stop delaying so we don't have time to react adequately to what you're going to post.
Just looks like you're trying to dodge a lynch in last minute confusion.
Gonna be honest, I mostly skimmed through the page 10 walls, but I did like this part
Maribro said:I think Aero and asa suspect that Bijou is mafia because of what he said about the game setup (they think he knows something). I think Aero and asa therefore know something about the game setup themselves (maybe homebrew townies with setup information? Who the fuck knows in this game) but maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree completely. This is all very convoluted and probably just me being too suss of people that I'm usually suss of (Aero mainly).
So I think this is a pretty good point, that the people that are going to attack others over game setup are probably the people that themselves know what the game setup is. Otherwise how would they know that suggesting a specific ratio is suspicious in the first place? Mafia are at least going to be MUCH more confident in their reads when another player theorizes about game setup, and thus more likely to go on the attack in regards to it. The payoff is also pretty good if their read on one of the members of the opposite factions works out and a lynch occurs, since as town we're a lot more likely to trust their "reads" from that point onwards.
If we had a townie that knew game setup I'd have hoped they would have come forward and clarified it for us (after letting other discussion play out for information's sake). Now this is getting super meta but I don't think a role like that would exist because as town we can pretty quickly corroborate their info as soon as they die, which would remove any mystery over the game setup.
Anyway I'm gonna swap my vote to Asa as they're pretty clearly following the thread but just repeatedly delaying their response.
I'm getting a similar weird vibe from JonChee as Battledolphin tbh.
I'm wary whenever people are like "I'm taking a different line of approach this game," as it's basically an attempt to sow doubt into any reads other players make. Which is most important to mafia so that any slight tells they might give off are ignored.
Maribro made a similar comment that he's mixing up his playstyle so I'm wary of him too.
You're right that my post on game setup probably wasn't "needed" but activity is hardly a bad thing imo. And you now voting for someone for keeping up with discussion doesn't make sense to me. I just don't see bijou's posts as scummy whereas you and aero were coming across that way.
"Aero acts scummy every game" is true but that doesn't mean he's helping town by doing so. I'm not sure why people would defend him for this.
Also, the "Modkill this guy" into "Actually I was just kidding" option select if they don't get modkilled isn't really a compelling defense to me.
Posting to mention that I'm keeping up to date with the discussion.
Without knowing the number of anti-town it's probs in our interest to vote every day. The people who've so far tried to get people modkilled/start bandwagons (just being overly antagonistic in general) are jeans and aero so I'd say just vote one of them off.
Vote: JEANS Also if we're talking characters there could be up to like 5 on each mafia team considering galeem/dharkon, the 3 light/dark bosses and master/crazy hand so I dont think we'll be able to theorize much on that front lol
Idk the maths on exact balancing of mafia and town, and it probably depends on the strength of the power roles of all the factions. 3-3-10 and 4-4-8 both seem possible so imo we shouldn't assume it's 3 or less members on each mafia faction or it could mislead us later on.
If we're going into game balance, my role isn't actually that effective considering I can't prove anyone is mafia or not (aside from doctor once we know there's no SK, and probably courier can be assumed town), and I'm sure the mods considered that.
Plus if laggy wasn't mafia and didn't just instantly die mafia would have been inherently in a much stronger position all game. So I think our perspectives on what's a fair distribution of power roles is probably off.
A bit more in my defense is that a gunsmith is basically a cop clone without a town cop or vig to make the role slightly less effective. However it's true that town doesn't actually know whether they have a vig or cop or not so mafia can claim these roles in response to an accusation (while Miller roles are the equivalent for regular cop), so I guess it comes down to whether you think the mods are trying to mindgame us or not.
Plus if I was mafia then it's strange they mostly hit vanillas before everyone claimed. (A mafia with rolecop probably wouldn't waste extra kills firing blindly night 1). Since I investigated MrL night 1 it would have been easy to kill him night 2 or just let him get himself lynched day 3 which was the probable outcome considering all his inconsistencies. (And you can tell I was trying to nudge people away from voting MrL for a while before I had to claim)