World of Light themed Mafia - Game Over, Dark Faction Wins!

Bijou said:

LtLongshot said:
Actually yeah I never played a game with a spirit sensor before so I didn't know what exactly It did. my b Bijou
But that actually puts my attention to Bijou more than anything else now thanks to that list

Question for you, is there any particular reason why you think this isn't a role madness game? So far every player has been revealed to have a power or has claimed one so it's interesting you think this might not be the case.

This isn't a loaded question by the way, because I agree with you for rather specific reasons.

Because I'm Vanila town.
And also because I was the one that asked in the discord if it would be a madness game.
Which makes me return the question to you Bijou why are you thinking its a madness game? You basically just claimed that you have a role now that you think this could be a madness game.

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04/19/2019 03:01:57

Aiight looks like Asa is our lynch for today. I wasn't sure if I should claim immediately, but I'm actually Spirit Bodyguard.

RUM RAISIN? RUM & RAISIN? LMAO

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04/19/2019 03:04:11

LtLongshot said:

Bijou said:

LtLongshot said:
Actually yeah I never played a game with a spirit sensor before so I didn't know what exactly It did. my b Bijou
But that actually puts my attention to Bijou more than anything else now thanks to that list

Question for you, is there any particular reason why you think this isn't a role madness game? So far every player has been revealed to have a power or has claimed one so it's interesting you think this might not be the case.

This isn't a loaded question by the way, because I agree with you for rather specific reasons.

Because I'm Vanila town.
And also because I was the one that asked in the discord if it would be a madness game.
Which makes me return the question to you Bijou why are you thinking its a madness game? You basically just claimed that you have a role now that you think this could be a madness game.

No, I don't think this is a madness game because I am also a Vanilla Spirit.

Do you see why I asked this immediately after Asa claimed he had a power role? Too many people are claiming powers and I find it suspicious.

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04/19/2019 03:04:21

WAIT AERO YOU'RE JOKING OMG HAHAHAHAHA THERE'S NO WAY vote: Asa

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04/19/2019 03:06:54

Which leaves three of these are anti town:
Asa, Aerodrome, Windkeeper, JonCheee, Dean, Extra

And two of these are anti town:
Blaze, Maribro, BattleDolphin, Laggy, Longshot, Bijou.

okay thanks for this summary

so I'm going to do a quick list of players remaining

Town
Mr L,


Active
Dean - lean town
many of dean's posts have many thought process similar to my own. one of the only that I can see actively scumhunting and asking questions

Bijou, lean scum - I didn't get time to finish my response to dean re: why I thought he was scum before part 1, will post what I have so far after this
Been super aggressive on me all game, which may have influenced this,
but I felt his points on me weren't very strong and even after I defended myself (he said there were no holes) he is just pushing too hard to be pure gut feeling alone

Aerodrome, lean scum - explains himself very little, mostly bandwagoning and can't/doesn't explain his votes
also languaged used in last few days was alarming and looked really subtly manipulative to me

unconfirmed

lean scum


Everyone under here needs to post more

Lurkers
JonCheee, - lean town I did a quick look over jon yesterday. I put him in my lurker pile for those who are in the thread, but do not much poking of their own.
Like I said yesterday, his play seems consistent with what he has been saying

LtLongshot, - needed to look back, thought he had a possible link to bijou

These three I'll just do blanket thought since they're all the same
lean scum - loosely posting every few days with pressure on the current wagon, with little of their own thoughts in posts
Laggy,
Boozer
Extra,

Inactive
BattleDolphin, - lost, neutral
Blaze, - hasn't posted much, was lynched for posting only memes last game, did a few posts with effort - lean clueless town
Windkeeper - been away for various reasons, unconfirmed
Maribro - also feel like I haven't seen much
pointed out a few good things show paying attention and hunting when he's here - unconfirmed/lean town


based on my list
if boozer is to be believed and
3/ Asa, Aerodrome, Windkeeper, JonCheee, Dean, Extra
my picks would be aero, extra, wind in that order


2/Blaze, Maribro, BattleDolphin, Laggy, Longshot, Bijou.
laggy, longshot,
leaving maribro, bd, bijou
this seems to make sense to me, so I can see boozer's claim being believable

My half finished draft response to dean's earlier post

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Dean's Post
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So it DOES seem likely that Part II was originally going to be about Bijou's interactions, and I can relate to that somewhat (when I was debating with Maribro I was also taking notes of other players' actions during the debate)
But the awkward transition between the "yeah Part II is coming lynch me if it doesn't come out tomorrow" into "part II never"? No official confirmation that Part II wasn't coming until three weeks after the fact?

Yes, I probably should've made that more clear. I thought it was understood that I was going to pursue jeans first until it was brought back up later

But... asa did not say this, he said he was still trying to figure out things.

I responded to bijou above - the figuring out things was in relation to bijou relationship, not trying to find a different option but to get more information to lead into the next day.
I was trying to see if bijou truly unvoted because he was trying to stop the lynch (either because he truly believed that jeans was doc - distancing himself from the wagon, or to save doc, or trying to slow things down to possibly no lynch end the day to save team)
when he unvoted, he prodded jeans into claiming, and then said he believed his claim.

I feel like the chances that you're making things up is pretty low because that implies your "My role is X and it can do Z but not if either mafia team do A" is something you made up on your own. If you were going to lie about the power you wouldn't make it needlessly complicated.
Your explanation that you saw you were a spirit and assumed that light = spirit is such a shitty defense that I actually think this is likely to actually be true.

I found this stuff sorta iffy, due to me just thinking that you wouldn't make a shitty defense just to look like it's complicated so that it looks believable, therefore occams razor just says that he's making it up

I'd like to see asa go into more depth into his thoughts on the Bijou / JEANS link UP TO the point that he made vs. Bijou Part I

So focussing on specifically Bijou/JEANS interactions
I'm going to try and go over it without reference to the information that jeans is now town

first one is his callout of JEANS "wtf is dharkon" bottom of page 5

"Just curious JEANS, don't you think that this quote kind of reminds you of what you called Atyeo out for in one of our previous games?
Atyeo was mafia in both the game he was like "haha who is jeans" and also the "Wtf is a hammerer" game. And you called him out for it.

Calls him out, but instead of going over what that means, he then moves on to me vs jeans

I'll level with you for a moment though. The way Asa is trashing on you is fucking rude. No one wants to be told they're bad at something and for what it's worth I do not think you're a bad player.

bit of a weird segue from a callout into being sympathetic towards them

Anyway I'm not going to vote for you yet but I would like to hear your opinion on the above since you're being called out for what you've previously called another player on doing.
It's nothing personal, if you're anti town then I want you to die but if you're town then I'd really like to see you do well and prove the haters wrong so good luck.

The final part of that post also just feels a little left open, instead of accusing him of doing something or point it out as scummy, he leaves jeans an opening to explain not what he did, but his opinion on the call out?
is he building the strawman for him?
then sits on the fence with the "anti town die/good luck"


page 7
what makes you think he's defending you

I thought he defended himself much better the second time around

This is what I found weird since in my opinion he didn't defend himself well, and there's no clear "defense" (first/second time??) or points he's defending himself from

And (apart from defending himself) he seems to have mainly gone after Bijou again today. Why?

mostly because defending myself having my hands full and being away (gong, april fools, server issues)
and bijou's case being based on what I feel are weak reasonings (kirby claim, my persistance on jeans, not admitting I'm wrong) made me think he's potentially trying to ride the doctor lynch to get an easy lynch
Besides responding to myself and you (dean), he also similarly hasn't gone after anyone else today,

I still want to go the Asa route but it's hard to do it when he's not playing.

and also during that week of absense, I brought this up earlier, but if he thought that what I was doing was suspicous enough, then he should have been able to bring up points instead of waiting for my return

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04/19/2019 03:07:54

I HAVE NO IDEA WHATS HAPPENING BUT IVE BEEN GIGGLING FOR THE PAST 10 MINS

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04/19/2019 03:08:00

Oh my god he posted a wall how nice

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04/19/2019 03:08:44

@Longshot

I'm going to put this out here now that based on your response and BDs responses to my question about whether or not this was a role madness game that I think both you and BD are town.

This leaves two of Blaze, Maribro and Laggy as mafia as far as I'm concerned.

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04/19/2019 03:08:58

Bijou said:
@Longshot

I'm going to put this out here now that based on your response and BDs responses to my question about whether or not this was a role madness game that I think both you and BD are town.

This leaves two of Blaze, Maribro and Laggy as mafia as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah very similar to your thoughts I was using your post to watch for vanilla towns, I am starting to think you are scum Bijou but I'll leave that until tomorrow for now
Vote: ASA (Again)

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04/19/2019 03:10:50

Bijou said:
@Longshot

I'm going to put this out here now that based on your response and BDs responses to my question about whether or not this was a role madness game that I think both you and BD are town.

This leaves two of Blaze, Maribro and Laggy as mafia as far as I'm concerned.

Couldn't be me fam, mafia wouldn't EXTEND the day by 2 hours to get involved in the game. I'm a town angle!!!

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04/19/2019 03:10:52

Anyway I'm not 100% convinced that Aero is actually telling the truth because the chances of him actually having bodyguard is such a small chance. And for it to happen in similar situations in two games is highly unlikely.

This is also in light of the fact that this isn't a role madness game so the claim is kinda sketchy. But if anything I think it makes it likely Asa isn't being truthful either.

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04/19/2019 03:10:56

Eeeeee gambler's fallacy D:

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04/19/2019 03:12:48

LtLongshot said:

Bijou said:
@Longshot

I'm going to put this out here now that based on your response and BDs responses to my question about whether or not this was a role madness game that I think both you and BD are town.

This leaves two of Blaze, Maribro and Laggy as mafia as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah very similar to your thoughts I was using your post to watch for vanilla towns, I am starting to think you are scum Bijou but I'll leave that until tomorrow for now
Vote: ASA (Again)

Given that I'm the one who deliberately asked whether people thought this was a power madness game or not if anything that should confirm to you that I'm not lying but I'm happy to discuss it with you in the next day further.

I've thought you were town from early in day 1 and everything that has happened in the last couple of pages has confirmed it for me.

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04/19/2019 03:12:52

If anything there is a chance that there could be a Mafia and a town bodyguard? Which would still mean asa is mafia

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04/19/2019 03:13:36

does this explain the only 1 night kill, aero?

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04/19/2019 03:13:53

you are lying aero

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04/19/2019 03:14:03

What's the vote count at? Have we reached a majority? If Aero is lying then he's 100% going to die tomorrow anyway so it's not a huge risk to lynch Asa tbh.

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04/19/2019 03:15:16

JonCheee said:
does this explain the only 1 night kill, aero?

Nope, bodyguard still dies if they are successful. They're just used to protect big power roles

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04/19/2019 03:15:37

JonCheee said:
does this explain the only 1 night kill, aero?

Yeah who did you protecc? The only 1 night kill makes aero's claim much more stronger than Asa's

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04/19/2019 03:16:19

unvote for now because I wanna hear people

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04/19/2019 03:16:25

nvm just read maribros post

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04/19/2019 03:16:38

By my count I think we only need one more vote for Asa to be lynched right? Nvm looks like he's back at L-2.

What do you want to hear more about BD?

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04/19/2019 03:17:20

Bijou said:
By my count I think we only need one more vote for Asa to be lynched right?

L-3 Im pretty sure. I never unvoted ASA

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04/19/2019 03:17:25

On Mafia.gg I believe their bodyguard protects someone and then the second time they protect someone the bodyguard dies so there's variations

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04/19/2019 03:17:41

I doubt there would be a mafia bodyguard since once faction got a night kill (Light) and the other faction did not have a night kill (Dark) (this is making sense in my head... kind of?). I think it's more likely that one, or both have a doctor role.

FWIW I targeted Windkeeper last night.

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04/19/2019 03:18:05