There is also the possiblity that with boozer lying it could still be 3 person mafs. If thats the case we can still win.
04/21/2019 05:14:58
Hello this thread is hard to keep up with please let me know if I missed any votes.
04/21/2019 05:16:37
04/21/2019 05:16:37
I'm not sure how worthwhile it is to state my opinion because I know that I'm one of the players in the hotseat so you'd be keeping a critical eye over anything that I say.
BUT: LtLongshot, Blaze, Lachlan, Boozer and Ben Gold('s replacement), if you're happy to lynch Laggy today then I'll join in. In the end I'm going to need to convince you at some stage that I'm the remaining townie anyway so doesn't matter if we do it now or later.
But I think it might be worth asking Laggy about any information he might have about the set-up. Laggy, can you confirm if you could only kill on Night 2 or not? Anything else about your night powers? I'm aware that he could try to sabotage us so we'll need to take what he says with a grain of salt but from my perspective he should hate Light mafia more than he hates town (they killed two of his teammates, after all!) ACTUALLY
If Boozer survives the night he might be able to give us another round of Sensor results so I guess it might be best to split up the Laggy voters and non-voters to give us the most information.
04/21/2019 06:11:06
BUT: LtLongshot, Blaze, Lachlan, Boozer and Ben Gold('s replacement), if you're happy to lynch Laggy today then I'll join in. In the end I'm going to need to convince you at some stage that I'm the remaining townie anyway so doesn't matter if we do it now or later.
But I think it might be worth asking Laggy about any information he might have about the set-up. Laggy, can you confirm if you could only kill on Night 2 or not? Anything else about your night powers? I'm aware that he could try to sabotage us so we'll need to take what he says with a grain of salt but from my perspective he should hate Light mafia more than he hates town (they killed two of his teammates, after all!) ACTUALLY
If Boozer survives the night he might be able to give us another round of Sensor results so I guess it might be best to split up the Laggy voters and non-voters to give us the most information.
04/21/2019 06:11:06
i'm here now after my morning church mass and family lunch, and i see many new pages..
i'll catch up asap
04/21/2019 06:22:32
i'll catch up asap
04/21/2019 06:22:32
dean said:
I'm not sure how worthwhile it is to state my opinion because I know that I'm one of the players in the hotseat so you'd be keeping a critical eye over anything that I say.
BUT: LtLongshot, Blaze, Lachlan, Boozer and Ben Gold('s replacement), if you're happy to lynch Laggy today then I'll join in. In the end I'm going to need to convince you at some stage that I'm the remaining townie anyway so doesn't matter if we do it now or later.
But I think it might be worth asking Laggy about any information he might have about the set-up. Laggy, can you confirm if you could only kill on Night 2 or not? Anything else about your night powers? I'm aware that he could try to sabotage us so we'll need to take what he says with a grain of salt but from my perspective he should hate Light mafia more than he hates town (they killed two of his teammates, after all!) ACTUALLY
If Boozer survives the night he might be able to give us another round of Sensor results so I guess it might be best to split up the Laggy voters and non-voters to give us the most information.
Yeah I want 1 of only you or ASA voting as we could use sensor to determine who is lying. Also im pretty sure laggy wont tell people shit.
04/21/2019 06:38:29
This ^^ Laggy might help tho, I can't imagine it hurting to try :3
04/21/2019 10:02:33
04/21/2019 10:02:33
Yeah that's what I'm thinking Lachlan, doesn't hurt to try. According to Discord he's too busy playing F1 though.
04/21/2019 10:36:38
04/21/2019 10:36:38
yall know im dark so i mean
maybe ill help, maybe i wont
04/21/2019 12:13:37
maybe ill help, maybe i wont
04/21/2019 12:13:37
Laggy, my dude. This is your time in the spotlight!
You can make an impact on this game!
Do you want to help people like me, who have always been nice to you? Or do you want to help smelly mafia like Windkeeper0 who's happily Day 1 lynched you multiple times with zero regrets?
04/21/2019 12:43:28
You can make an impact on this game!
Do you want to help people like me, who have always been nice to you? Or do you want to help smelly mafia like Windkeeper0 who's happily Day 1 lynched you multiple times with zero regrets?
04/21/2019 12:43:28
ThatLaggyPerson said:
yall know im dark so i mean
maybe ill help, maybe i wont
What can ya offer laggy?
04/21/2019 12:48:11
i mean we didnt 100% know if you were dark but thanks for the confirmation LOL
04/21/2019 12:50:43
04/21/2019 12:50:43
Yeah this 100% confirms Extra as Light mafia and Blaze, Lachlan and LtLongshot as Spirits if there was any doubt remaining. 
04/21/2019 13:25:44
dean said:(if there are eight mafiosi in this game I’ll set an akubra on fire).
04/21/2019 13:25:44
LMAO laggy confirmed it
04/21/2019 13:36:36
04/21/2019 13:36:36
LtLongshot said:
ThatLaggyPerson said:
yall know im dark so i mean
maybe ill help, maybe i wont
What can ya offer laggy?
Lamp oil, rope, bombs! You want it? It's yours, my friend, as long as you have enough rubies!
04/21/2019 13:43:33
Im broke were doomed!!
04/21/2019 14:27:43
04/21/2019 14:27:43
"rubies"
04/21/2019 14:38:18
04/21/2019 14:38:18
Lachlan, Al. At this stage which of JonCheee, asa, Windkeeper0 and I are you leaning on being town?
I'm very worried about being stuck in a Lylo situation with Blaze (who seems confident that I'm mafia) so I'm thinking I might have to try hard in this day phase to convince the confirmed townies that I'm town.
04/21/2019 15:23:20
I'm very worried about being stuck in a Lylo situation with Blaze (who seems confident that I'm mafia) so I'm thinking I might have to try hard in this day phase to convince the confirmed townies that I'm town.
04/21/2019 15:23:20
dean said:
Lachlan, Al. At this stage which of JonCheee, asa, Windkeeper0 and I are you leaning on being town?
I'm pretty much confirmed in my head that its between you and asa being town. See post below
LtLongshot said:
If ASA is light him wanting to vote Laggy off, and dean is saying he is town Leaves one of two options
dean said:
I think... if Boozer's information is correct these are the possibilities:
Light mafia: asa, Windkeeper0, JonCheee, Extra; Dark mafia: ThatLaggyPerson
Light mafia: Windkeeper0, JonCheee, dean, Extra; Dark mafia: ThatLaggyPerson
Blaze, BD, and me can only be mafia if both Dean an ASA are seeing how opposed to eachother they are we can kinda assume the three of us are town (of course that is unless dean is wanting to throw under the bus.
If this assumption is correct then the safest votes are Windkeeper0, JonCheee, Extra, and Laggy.
You have presented some good evidence to claim that asa is maf as well but obviously we wont fully know until tomorrow. If Boozer dies from maf we know asa is maf as he wouldn't haven't have bodyguarded him. Or that boozer lives/asa dies, and tells us about lynch numbers. This is of course if nothing fucky happens.
04/21/2019 15:32:28
Can you possibly role reveal dean? Understand if you dont want to tho
04/21/2019 16:50:45
04/21/2019 16:50:45
Very nice, laggy confirming helps make the most likely scenario “Light mafia: asa, Windkeeper0, JonCheee, Extra; Dark mafia: ThatLaggyPerson“ the case.
I’ll make sure boozer’s alive to do another sensor tonight as well
04/21/2019 16:56:14
I’ll make sure boozer’s alive to do another sensor tonight as well
04/21/2019 16:56:14
Blaze said:There's not really much point to hide anything at this stage.
Can you possibly role reveal dean? Understand if you dont want to tho
I'm Spirit Watcher. I watched Bijou Night 1 and asa Night 2 and didn't see any players visit either of them.
04/21/2019 22:43:47
dean said:
Lachlan, Al. At this stage which of JonCheee, asa, Windkeeper0 and I are you leaning on being town?
I'm very worried about being stuck in a Lylo situation with Blaze (who seems confident that I'm mafia) so I'm thinking I might have to try hard in this day phase to convince the confirmed townies that I'm town.
Ideally we shouldn't get to that point (but this is assuming kills rotate between factions) and I'm honestly not sure. I think it's between you and asa for LT's points as well as that generally wind and JonCheee were more suss in general so I'm basically ruling them out. You've presented good points for asa maf but he did reveal the potential of factions rotating kills (which tbf only mafs would know) but idk I haven't really seen his play as suss after the very start of the game so idk, whereas I have been a little suss of you?
ALSO ASA SCARES ME THAT HE WANTS TO KILL LAGGY FIRST AND MAKE THE TEAMS CLOSE which I think we should not do now that Laggy confirmed he's dark mafia so it's 4 man teams and boozer is telling the truth, now we have a confirmed light mafia which I am comfortable taking out vote:extra
So yeah I'm conflicted atm Oh you revealed I wonder if there's a way we can confirm this claim
04/21/2019 22:52:43
I'm not sure if it's proof but I did try to drop a couple of crumbs earlier in the game to reference if it came to a situation like this.
Couldn't really crumb about the Bijou results because I didn't see anything useful. Nobody visiting asa was strange and part of the reason why I drew suspicion to him early this day phase... BUT I can't really use this as proof because if I was mafia I would've known that Boozer's Sensor results were correct and that I would have needed to distance myself from the rest of the potential Lights I guess...
So there you have it. I'm not sure if this is much to help convince you that I'm Watcher or even if it is that I'm Spirit Watcher (since we can see that Ghost was Watcher as well).
04/21/2019 23:12:39
dean said:Check the language in this post (Page 6). Does it seem natural? I went out of my way to make sure to say that I was going to watch over things.
I've been holding my tongue for a bit and watching over things because I think JEANS should respond to those posts before I change subjects so it would be cool if he did that a bit faster.
dean said:This one is on Page 19. I made sure to specifically mention Watchers as the example of role here.
As for why I, specifically, didn't die? I wish I knew. Mafia might be wary of other roles that dissuade them from making obvious kills, like Watchers.
Couldn't really crumb about the Bijou results because I didn't see anything useful. Nobody visiting asa was strange and part of the reason why I drew suspicion to him early this day phase... BUT I can't really use this as proof because if I was mafia I would've known that Boozer's Sensor results were correct and that I would have needed to distance myself from the rest of the potential Lights I guess...
So there you have it. I'm not sure if this is much to help convince you that I'm Watcher or even if it is that I'm Spirit Watcher (since we can see that Ghost was Watcher as well).
04/21/2019 23:12:39
Hmmmm
04/21/2019 23:47:53
04/21/2019 23:47:53
OK, I'll try and explain as best as I can why I'm the remaining townie (will contrast to asa where applicable as it seems that he's my main competitor)
1. I've been staunchly against the idea of four-man mafia teams the entire game. I explained why on Day 1 - there's ZERO precedence of a game this size having anywhere near that amount of anti-town players and the Expected Win Rate of town in 4:4:8 is negligible.
How does this contrast to asa, who also seemed to strongly believe against 4:4:8 early in the game? The answer lies in our actions early in the current phase.
I was SO SURE that 4:4:8 wasn't going to happen that I attacked Boozer as soon as the day phase started because I was confident that he was lying about his sensor results. I only changed from this as soon as Maribro flipped and confirmed Boozer as correct. Contrast this to asa, who despite being so adamant against 4:4:8 earlier in the game, was suddenly very open to it on Page 34 - instead of his first instinct being that Boozer was lying, his first instinct was to believe Boozer and push lynches onto Maribro and Laggy (yeah the two mafiosi not on his team, cool).
He KNEW that Boozer wasn't lying and forgot to keep his act up.
2. Dark faction's actions. Divided into two parts.
Go read through the end of Day 2 again.
Aerodrome's fakeclaim at the end of Day 2 makes no sense unless he was 100% sure that asa was mafia. Why would you fakeclaim a role when you were under zero pressure yourself unless you were certain that the opposing player was mafia?
Second part is Maribro. I'm not sure how much credence using a mafioso's words as evidence gives to my case but here's my thoughts:
Maribro was daykilled by Light faction as soon as he started hinting that he was cop.
Maribro was hinting strongly that I was town. Light knew that he was telling the truth and daykilled him ASAP to prevent him from talking further.
I can't imagine Maribro being so staunch that I was town if I was actually Light mafia. What would a Dark mafioso gain from staunchly defending a Light mafioso?
If he was a regular cop, he'd have run into the risk of me being investigation-immune. But since, before he was daykilled, he could not openly state what he knew... I think he might have been a flavour cop or such. And flavour cop's can't really return false results like this.
If I was Light mafia why would I daykill a player that was defending me as town?
3. I wrote a big-ass wall on the bottom of Page 16 about a theory that a lot of mafiosi would've been on the Day 1 wagon.
Why would I write this if I was mafia and it implicated me and every single one of my teammates?
I know that I might have a bit of a reputation for killing my teammates after Ultimate Mafia, but I don't think that I would have written this theory if ALL of my teammates were on the wagon AND I KNEW FOR SURE that there was a second killing faction AND the Town Doctor was dead, that would've been a whack-ass bus.
4. My actions so far today.
I think that I've generally been the most pro-town... at least after Maribro was killed.
JonCheee posted once and then dipped from the thread and asa's been subtly trying to direct town in the direction most favourable for him (killing Laggy and Maribro). No idea where Windkeeper is.
I've generally been taking actions, such as trying to get Laggy to talk, that would be detrimental to Light faction. I think it's safe to interpret it that way?
Getting Laggy to talk ties into Point 2 btw I wanna know what Dark knew about asa and what Maribro's role was.
5. JonCheee and Windkeeper0's interactions with asa. Do these seem natural to you guys in hindsight? Both Jon and Winekeeper were pretty quick to be satisfied with asa's responses to Bijou's questioning. Windkeeper0's OBSESSION with JEANS on Day 1 (which I brought up on Day 1 and 2) makes more sense if we think that asa and Windkeeper0 were mafia together, with Windkeeper grouping up with asa to try and get a vocal anti-asa player out of the game.
6. Bijou thought that I was town and asa was mafia, and we all like Bijou, right?
04/22/2019 01:02:15
1. I've been staunchly against the idea of four-man mafia teams the entire game. I explained why on Day 1 - there's ZERO precedence of a game this size having anywhere near that amount of anti-town players and the Expected Win Rate of town in 4:4:8 is negligible.
How does this contrast to asa, who also seemed to strongly believe against 4:4:8 early in the game? The answer lies in our actions early in the current phase.
I was SO SURE that 4:4:8 wasn't going to happen that I attacked Boozer as soon as the day phase started because I was confident that he was lying about his sensor results. I only changed from this as soon as Maribro flipped and confirmed Boozer as correct. Contrast this to asa, who despite being so adamant against 4:4:8 earlier in the game, was suddenly very open to it on Page 34 - instead of his first instinct being that Boozer was lying, his first instinct was to believe Boozer and push lynches onto Maribro and Laggy (yeah the two mafiosi not on his team, cool).
He KNEW that Boozer wasn't lying and forgot to keep his act up.
2. Dark faction's actions. Divided into two parts.
Go read through the end of Day 2 again.
Aerodrome's fakeclaim at the end of Day 2 makes no sense unless he was 100% sure that asa was mafia. Why would you fakeclaim a role when you were under zero pressure yourself unless you were certain that the opposing player was mafia?
Second part is Maribro. I'm not sure how much credence using a mafioso's words as evidence gives to my case but here's my thoughts:
Maribro was daykilled by Light faction as soon as he started hinting that he was cop.
Maribro was hinting strongly that I was town. Light knew that he was telling the truth and daykilled him ASAP to prevent him from talking further.
I can't imagine Maribro being so staunch that I was town if I was actually Light mafia. What would a Dark mafioso gain from staunchly defending a Light mafioso?
If he was a regular cop, he'd have run into the risk of me being investigation-immune. But since, before he was daykilled, he could not openly state what he knew... I think he might have been a flavour cop or such. And flavour cop's can't really return false results like this.
If I was Light mafia why would I daykill a player that was defending me as town?
3. I wrote a big-ass wall on the bottom of Page 16 about a theory that a lot of mafiosi would've been on the Day 1 wagon.
Why would I write this if I was mafia and it implicated me and every single one of my teammates?
I know that I might have a bit of a reputation for killing my teammates after Ultimate Mafia, but I don't think that I would have written this theory if ALL of my teammates were on the wagon AND I KNEW FOR SURE that there was a second killing faction AND the Town Doctor was dead, that would've been a whack-ass bus.
4. My actions so far today.
I think that I've generally been the most pro-town... at least after Maribro was killed.
JonCheee posted once and then dipped from the thread and asa's been subtly trying to direct town in the direction most favourable for him (killing Laggy and Maribro). No idea where Windkeeper is.
I've generally been taking actions, such as trying to get Laggy to talk, that would be detrimental to Light faction. I think it's safe to interpret it that way?
Getting Laggy to talk ties into Point 2 btw I wanna know what Dark knew about asa and what Maribro's role was.
5. JonCheee and Windkeeper0's interactions with asa. Do these seem natural to you guys in hindsight? Both Jon and Winekeeper were pretty quick to be satisfied with asa's responses to Bijou's questioning. Windkeeper0's OBSESSION with JEANS on Day 1 (which I brought up on Day 1 and 2) makes more sense if we think that asa and Windkeeper0 were mafia together, with Windkeeper grouping up with asa to try and get a vocal anti-asa player out of the game.
6. Bijou thought that I was town and asa was mafia, and we all like Bijou, right?
04/22/2019 01:02:15