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Guess ill vote for bradley now !! I luv bandwagons
Vote: DD
01/25/2019 00:07:19
Welcome asa! I'd be interested to hear the reasons behind your MrL vote if you have time to share them.
Targeted votes like that saying you have a reason are a bit suss because no one has reasons on day 1 that they need to withhold except mafia, but if asa really is in Japan then I certainly understand not providing it due to lack of time. PS. Who is asa?
01/25/2019 00:25:37
Targeted votes like that saying you have a reason are a bit suss because no one has reasons on day 1 that they need to withhold except mafia, but if asa really is in Japan then I certainly understand not providing it due to lack of time. PS. Who is asa?
01/25/2019 00:25:37
G'day asa, good to have you
01/25/2019 00:58:25
01/25/2019 00:58:25
Extra said:No I don't quite agree with this. The other time I've been town (users of QLD Smash) watching for people suck up to me was one of my favourite scum-hunting methods. Until I was tragically killed.
it's extremely simple to side with the players who 'make sense' and win them over.
Extra said:Haha, nerd.
i am busier than i was in the past games most notably because of tournaments and smash ultimate draining a lot of my focus.
Extra said:No need to worry about that, I think my first post in this game gace pretty conclusive evidence against this.
you might have been tricked into thinking i'm a better town player than i am
Extra said:OK I can dig this. You'd probably understand that game more than I do as I was SK and just wanted to stay alive ;(
i think boozer is playing weird because he was memeing the whole early game and then as soon as a vote got dropped on him (even if it was a meme vote by varous) he instantly started playing more 'serious'. gave me vibes from when spacejam was mafia with me.
Extra said:Yes we don't really have good choices on mafia because most of us don't like to actively scumhunt. If you want I could talk in circles about "wow hey Varous is inactive" and "gee I sure hope there isn't a Jester". I understand you didn't necessarily like the style of my post but calling out people usually gets interesting reactions, both from yourself and others.
if we don't have any good choices on who is mafia, i would rather kill people who are actively negative utility day 1. varous right now is negative utility, so i'm fine with killing him. notice i didn't vote for him.
Extra said:You write well and I think your views of how you played as mafia in the past are interesting but I don't think it's a good look that you needed to be called out before getting off your ass. In terms of looking at people that changed behaviour after being voted for (Dale in SuMo/Cameron in this game) this also applies to you. Why didn't you share this earlier? "there's enough good players keeping the thread going that i haven't felt the need to post too much." - this isn't a good mindset; if you're town you should be trying to be one of the players keeping the thread going to make sure we're not being manipulated by a mafia-controlled town.
would like to hear more from dean about how he felt by my post and whether or not it swayed him towards being more or less suspicious of me.
Extra said:
if we don't have any good choices on who is mafia, i would rather kill people who are actively negative utility day 1. varous right now is negative utility, so i'm fine with killing him. notice i didn't vote for him.
How sure that Player X is mafia do we need to be before they become a "good choice"? (Not just directed at you btw). Let's say that I start the game 25% suspicion of everyone since there's probably around that many scum. Do I need to go 30%? 50%? 90%? Before we fall back onto policy lynches.
Exist said:I'd written that first post up before the game had started and I'd received my role PM. Check up random voting stage on the wiki; it's an easy enough way to get discussion rolling. I got a chuckle out of Ryan for that post so I'd say I did my job well.
I just want to point out how hard dean has been pushing extra this game.
It's worth noting that this was dean's first post before extra said anything.
It could be a coincidence but to me, it seems like he has a bias towards extra. There are a few things I think this could mean:
a) he has some beef with extra and just wants him gone.
b) he is trying to distance himself from extra because they are both mafia
c) absolutely nothing
Bijou said:Look baldy, they don't need to know that. I'm less likely to get reactions if you write off my posts like this ;(
Dean literally just throws votes out to see how people react.
@JonCheee wow I'm proud of you Jonny, joining the scumhunt. I'd rather wait until Bradley Kun logs in again though; I think he's near 48 hours of inactivity.
Insie said:I do not appreciate this slight.
Dean ... he's a living meme
@Aerodrome you seemed so confident with your reads in "Mafia is back" what happened to that Aerodrome.
I'm glad to have you back William.
Maribro said:Mathematically speaking this seems like a case of risk/reward. In a vacuum there's 75% chance Extra's town and if we lynch him we lose say 10% of our collective brainpower. But there's a 25% Extra's maf and if they lose him they lose 30% of their collective brainpower. idk maths, I passed high school. Invisi does good maths maybe he can debunk this.
I'm not willing to lynch someone as powerful as Nick McKenzie at this stage
That said my train for Large Unwell Nicholas seems to have failed to gather steam so maybe I'll leave him alone for a bit.
Gimme until after lunch to think more about Jon's post on DD, got a meeting now.
01/25/2019 01:01:55
page 11:dean's scum-of-the-hour on extra was good pressure onto extra to see how he would respond. I feel extra responded pretty well and he is likely town. If extra was scum then he likely would've responded more defensively or even put blame onto someone else but no he made arguments and said dean was correct in some instances.
nothing against dean here also as we only have reads to go off of and I could see extra being mafia before his response posts, putting that much pressure on him was a great play. Even so I'm reading extra as town after his response dean's could very well be correct so it's smart to keep a close eye on extra for the rest of the game.
Bijou too seems to be going off of gut feelings with his attack on laggy. While his arguments werent amazing or anything im a bit shitty with the town for breaking down his posts before laggy could even respond.
page 12:
Like the dean play was good cause it pressured extra to defend himself, whereas when bioju does something similar on laggy,dean has already broke it down defending laggy. Maybe just cause bioju was semi-calling out dean&Boozer at the same time? I dont really get why he felt the need to do this, it's just gonna divide the town and let people like dean defend laggy for free.
so when laggy responded he pretty much just paraphrased whatever dean said. Like you're arguing over if laggy's posts are forged by mafia, and you dont let him reply by himself so you can break down his post to really tell?
onto DD, I dont really think he has an excuse for being so shit? he's new to forum mafia but im pretty sure he has played a ton of irl mafia and discord mafia. so him saying he usually goes for no lynch of day 1 makes me concerned for all the previous games he's played...
Then he bandwagons and doesnt even give his own thoughts onto why he agrees with whatever anybody else has said. Hasnt done that all game actually.
btw id just like to clarify that asking for day 1 no lynch isnt really a play mafia would make, but dd is still suss just from not contributing at all.
Then again like half of the players in this game are like that and yet DD is the big target rn ,for example, windkeeper has made like 2 posts that have been relatively empty.
isnt this the same windkeeper known as the 'survivor' and has got many mvp awards in the past? youd think he' have something more to say and noone else seems to really care that he hasnt posted at all and is likely lurking. I'd like him to step it up.
Anyway I know *why* DD is the target rightnow, he'd be a good day 1 lynch cause he not only is stupid but also suss and a noob. And I agree mainly on potentially killing him today.
01/25/2019 01:39:33
nothing against dean here also as we only have reads to go off of and I could see extra being mafia before his response posts, putting that much pressure on him was a great play. Even so I'm reading extra as town after his response dean's could very well be correct so it's smart to keep a close eye on extra for the rest of the game.
Bijou too seems to be going off of gut feelings with his attack on laggy. While his arguments werent amazing or anything im a bit shitty with the town for breaking down his posts before laggy could even respond.
page 12:
Like the dean play was good cause it pressured extra to defend himself, whereas when bioju does something similar on laggy,dean has already broke it down defending laggy. Maybe just cause bioju was semi-calling out dean&Boozer at the same time? I dont really get why he felt the need to do this, it's just gonna divide the town and let people like dean defend laggy for free.
so when laggy responded he pretty much just paraphrased whatever dean said. Like you're arguing over if laggy's posts are forged by mafia, and you dont let him reply by himself so you can break down his post to really tell?
onto DD, I dont really think he has an excuse for being so shit? he's new to forum mafia but im pretty sure he has played a ton of irl mafia and discord mafia. so him saying he usually goes for no lynch of day 1 makes me concerned for all the previous games he's played...
Then he bandwagons and doesnt even give his own thoughts onto why he agrees with whatever anybody else has said. Hasnt done that all game actually.
btw id just like to clarify that asking for day 1 no lynch isnt really a play mafia would make, but dd is still suss just from not contributing at all.
Then again like half of the players in this game are like that and yet DD is the big target rn ,for example, windkeeper has made like 2 posts that have been relatively empty.
isnt this the same windkeeper known as the 'survivor' and has got many mvp awards in the past? youd think he' have something more to say and noone else seems to really care that he hasnt posted at all and is likely lurking. I'd like him to step it up.
Anyway I know *why* DD is the target rightnow, he'd be a good day 1 lynch cause he not only is stupid but also suss and a noob. And I agree mainly on potentially killing him today.
01/25/2019 01:39:33
Was I even town in Mafia is Back
I legit only ever roll maf or sk and when I am town I die night 1. Quite funny.
Realistically if I don't die night 1 or 2 I'm probably mafia lol
01/25/2019 01:41:45
I legit only ever roll maf or sk and when I am town I die night 1. Quite funny.
Realistically if I don't die night 1 or 2 I'm probably mafia lol
01/25/2019 01:41:45
@JEANS: On one hand you're right; I shouldn't have defended Laggy.
On the other hand, Bijou asked me a question and it would've been rude not to answer. So it's Bijou's fault for being a bad player!
@Aero you were SK that needed to kill maf. Close enough to town for me.
01/25/2019 02:06:03
On the other hand, Bijou asked me a question and it would've been rude not to answer. So it's Bijou's fault for being a bad player!
@Aero you were SK that needed to kill maf. Close enough to town for me.
01/25/2019 02:06:03
i hate quote tags so my apologies if this looks like crap; 'preview post' button??? @shitashi
obviously i'm not just advocating 'follow the leader' styles of play by maf (for example, mr L jumping on my aero vote which was mostly intended to get him to share actual thoughts (which didnt work) actually makes me more suspicious of him as i defended him in the past and it makes him look better / me look worse simulataneously) but i stand by that mafia can play with the confidence to pick and choose who to side with mostly without consequence if they do it smart.
i can agree with this and think it was a fuckup on my end. i mostly felt like i should hold back on outright accusing people because as a townie, being wrong actually has consequences. as such i was more interested in holding back until i was actually sure of who i wanted to vote for. not really an excuse, more an explanation. sorta needed a kick up the ass to break the ice.
IMO boozer's play was more suspicious because it was a straight up one-line non-vote that got him acting a bit more serious as opposed to a whole post that i basically had no choice but to respond to in-depth.
this is an interesting question and i don't have an answer for it aside from that i personally wouldn't describe my levels of suspicion in percentages
this is also interesting to bring up because (and this is a tad metagamey here) i reckon it's fairly likely that one of you, bijou, or aerodrome (or possibly maribro as well) is anti-town in some form. as such, going after one of those three on day 1 would most likely give us a 25-33% chance of hitting mafia, at the cost of a good (but not irreplaceable) town member. what are people's thoughts on this? potential cost*, i should say. poor phrasing
01/25/2019 02:39:28
dean said:
Extra said:No I don't quite agree with this. The other time I've been town (users of QLD Smash) watching for people suck up to me was one of my favourite scum-hunting methods. Until I was tragically killed.
it's extremely simple to side with the players who 'make sense' and win them over.
obviously i'm not just advocating 'follow the leader' styles of play by maf (for example, mr L jumping on my aero vote which was mostly intended to get him to share actual thoughts (which didnt work) actually makes me more suspicious of him as i defended him in the past and it makes him look better / me look worse simulataneously) but i stand by that mafia can play with the confidence to pick and choose who to side with mostly without consequence if they do it smart.
Extra said:You write well and I think your views of how you played as mafia in the past are interesting but I don't think it's a good look that you needed to be called out before getting off your ass. In terms of looking at people that changed behaviour after being voted for (Dale in SuMo/Cameron in this game) this also applies to you. Why didn't you share this earlier? "there's enough good players keeping the thread going that i haven't felt the need to post too much." - this isn't a good mindset; if you're town you should be trying to be one of the players keeping the thread going to make sure we're not being manipulated by a mafia-controlled town.
would like to hear more from dean about how he felt by my post and whether or not it swayed him towards being more or less suspicious of me.
i can agree with this and think it was a fuckup on my end. i mostly felt like i should hold back on outright accusing people because as a townie, being wrong actually has consequences. as such i was more interested in holding back until i was actually sure of who i wanted to vote for. not really an excuse, more an explanation. sorta needed a kick up the ass to break the ice.
IMO boozer's play was more suspicious because it was a straight up one-line non-vote that got him acting a bit more serious as opposed to a whole post that i basically had no choice but to respond to in-depth.
Extra said:
if we don't have any good choices on who is mafia, i would rather kill people who are actively negative utility day 1. varous right now is negative utility, so i'm fine with killing him. notice i didn't vote for him.
How sure that Player X is mafia do we need to be before they become a "good choice"? (Not just directed at you btw). Let's say that I start the game 25% suspicion of everyone since there's probably around that many scum. Do I need to go 30%? 50%? 90%? Before we fall back onto policy lynches.
this is an interesting question and i don't have an answer for it aside from that i personally wouldn't describe my levels of suspicion in percentages
Maribro said:Mathematically speaking this seems like a case of risk/reward. In a vacuum there's 75% chance Extra's town and if we lynch him we lose say 10% of our collective brainpower. But there's a 25% Extra's maf and if they lose him they lose 30% of their collective brainpower. idk maths, I passed high school. Invisi does good maths maybe he can debunk this.
I'm not willing to lynch someone as powerful as Nick McKenzie at this stage
this is also interesting to bring up because (and this is a tad metagamey here) i reckon it's fairly likely that one of you, bijou, or aerodrome (or possibly maribro as well) is anti-town in some form. as such, going after one of those three on day 1 would most likely give us a 25-33% chance of hitting mafia, at the cost of a good (but not irreplaceable) town member. what are people's thoughts on this? potential cost*, i should say. poor phrasing
01/25/2019 02:39:28
dean said:hahahaha town lost that game because they lynched me when i knew ghost was totally mafia lmao @extra ill be honest I think the most likely to be mafia out of dean/bijou/me is honestly dean but for now I have no reason to believe there is mafia in this pile.
@JEANS: On one hand you're right; I shouldn't have defended Laggy.
On the other hand, Bijou asked me a question and it would've been rude not to answer. So it's Bijou's fault for being a bad player!
@Aero you were SK that needed to kill maf. Close enough to town for me.
I'm believing DD actually might be the lynch play here since I think he might just be lurking and playing as inactive townie while being mafia. Is he usually quiet when playing irl? This question was asked before and don't believe it got answered. (Not to metagame but...)
01/25/2019 03:05:24
Yep sorry mates have been at EBS, GUF and i had to go out yesterday, havent checked everything just kidna skimmed
01/25/2019 03:13:49
01/25/2019 03:13:49
Second read through
Updated thoughts
Scum
Exist
Laggy
Bijou
Leaning scum - gut feel
Jonchee
Boozer
Neutral
Invisi
Jeans
Extra (I thought you were exist for a good half of the game)
Aerodrome
Leaning town
Blaze
Maribro
No clue
Everyone else
How much Mafia experience does laggy have?
Is bus kun going to turn him into a hero for the mafia?
unvote Mr L
Vote exist
01/25/2019 03:14:14
Updated thoughts
Scum
Exist
Laggy
Bijou
Leaning scum - gut feel
Jonchee
Boozer
Neutral
Invisi
Jeans
Extra (I thought you were exist for a good half of the game)
Aerodrome
Leaning town
Blaze
Maribro
No clue
Everyone else
How much Mafia experience does laggy have?
Is bus kun going to turn him into a hero for the mafia?
unvote Mr L
Vote exist
01/25/2019 03:14:14
I usually don't talk irl because everyone instantly lynches me if i do to answer you aero
01/25/2019 03:15:02
01/25/2019 03:15:02
Aerodrome said:
@extra ill be honest I think the most likely to be mafia out of dean/bijou/me is honestly dean but for now I have no reason to believe there is mafia in this pile.
my thoughts on that general group are
dean: been very aggro in general; at the very least he's managed to convince me to play better so if he's mafia bad luck to them lol
bijou: seems to be playing much the same as in previous games. hard to tell for me.
aero: don't really like you throwing your vote around so much because imo it's the same as voting for no-one; makes it very hard to read into your voting habits as we move into later days which makes me feel as if you're covering your tracks. this was mostly why i voted you.
i dont think we will actually lynch any of these players day 1 just wanted to keep the idea in peoples heads that we should be sus of them.
@asa: keen to hear you elaborate on your scum reads
01/25/2019 03:25:01
It's like 42 degrees today in Melbourne so I'm staying off the pc for the moment and writing on my phone. I'll go through all the mentions of me later when I can more easily quote people and stuff. One thing I want to make mention of though:
This is fucking retarded logic unless you think that laggy and I are setting up a mafia play by me attacking him to disassociate myself with him lol.
Luckily for you I actually think you're town based on Varous's inactivity otherwise I'd be way more suspicious of this no-thought post.
Your readings list is mostly useless information by the way unless you give reasonings for why you've put people in certain categories so would you mind at least expanding on this?
01/25/2019 03:33:03
asa said:
Scum
Exist
Laggy
Bijou
This is fucking retarded logic unless you think that laggy and I are setting up a mafia play by me attacking him to disassociate myself with him lol.
Luckily for you I actually think you're town based on Varous's inactivity otherwise I'd be way more suspicious of this no-thought post.
Your readings list is mostly useless information by the way unless you give reasonings for why you've put people in certain categories so would you mind at least expanding on this?
01/25/2019 03:33:03
I’m also interested to hear asa’s thoughts. He is the only player so far to voice a scum read on Bijou and I. It sounds like he has some interesting opinions to bring to the table.
01/25/2019 04:40:24
01/25/2019 04:40:24
Extra said:Well I don't like this because you've included my name in here, and the vibe I get is that I may have ruffled a few feathers so there'd be a non-negligible chance I'd get picked. If we swap out my name for yours it's a great idea!
this is also interesting to bring up because (and this is a tad metagamey here) i reckon it's fairly likely that one of you, bijou, or aerodrome (or possibly maribro as well) is anti-town in some form. as such, going after one of those three on day 1 would most likely give us a 25-33% chance of hitting mafia, at the cost of a good (but not irreplaceable) town member. what are people's thoughts on this? potential cost*, i should say. poor phrasing
The chance of there being scum in a randomly selected group of three players is only about 58% if there are five scum btw; 49% if there are four scum. So you'd need to actually be able to justify there's a reasonable chance of scum in the group; in your case it seems you've picked the three most active players which is OK in theory (mafia will want to try and control discussion) but from my perspective Bijou, Aero and I have all proven to be extremely active posters in the past no matter our alignment so I feel that this isn't a strong theory in this scenario.
As someone who's hosted multiple games in the past though I like it; let Laggy and friends get to play properly for once. But if this is the case then leave me out of the group then pls, I've only played three games and haven't made it past night 3 in any of them I WANT TO PLAY TOO. <- this paragraph is not relevant to the game at hand though; Dean the player loses the empathy that Dean the moderator has and wants to win and if lynching Laggy and friends helps him win then he'll do it.
01/25/2019 08:01:02
Okay, now that it has cooled down to a reasonable 30 degrees or whatever it is right now I will make that long epic post as promised.
I don't think it's fair to say I've been tunneling. Around page 6 was where I recognised Laggy was playing differently and threw a vote on him. By time I re-focused my vote on him in page 11 I had thought about it more by that stage and decided that was the avenue I should be pursuing.
On page 12 all I did was respond to any comments/criticisms that I was hoping would come from re-voting Laggy so I'm not sure that saying I'm tunneling here is correct. I find it interesting that people seem to be mostly ignoring the Laggy train and are going for DD instead actually.
As I said in an earlier post, I find that players who have vote trains put on them in day 1 are actually more likely to be town players than mafia. The reason for this is.. let's say there are 5 mafia? So if a mafia player is getting trained on then I would say at least 3 out of 4 of the remaining mafia are probably not going to join in on the train.
If 5 players out of 22 (assuming there are 5 mafia including the person being voted on) all decide to not be a part of the lynch train then that is 22% of the players in this game.
Whereas if a town player gets voted on it is in the mafia's interested to push the lynch train on that player. ie. 22% more players are going to have an involvement in a town player lynch train.
Obviously this doesn't account for mafia actually voting against mafia, but as a basic example you can see that in general it is going to be easier for a town player to be day 1 lynched than a mafia player.
The point I'm making here is that a surprising number of players have mostly ignored potential Laggy lynch trains. Twice. So am I tunneling or am I onto something here?
This is important. I've already answered this criticism but I think most players have overlooked it, pretty sure I've seen a bunch of other people assume this is my argument for why I think Laggy could be anti-town.
The mafia are not helping Laggy manufacture posts. My argument is that: When a player is on the mafia team they have access to information that the rest of the game does not have. They know who all the other mafia players are.
Extra mentioned this in his previous post, that being on the mafia team allows you to play more freely and more confidently. Because you know who the other mafia players are you can more easily direct town discussion away from certain players and onto others.
In addition to this, you have help in general from the other players in your mafia team. They're not writing posts for him, but it is easy to say "hey I'm planning on responding like this, what do you think? IS this a good idea or not?". This kind of feedback can help a player more frequently make helpful 'town' posts than they otherwise would have if they were a townsperson.
While it started as a gut feeling, the more I think about it the more I think it makes sense. I think I've supplied some pretty reasonable arguments so far regarding Laggy in general.
Literally all you're doing is just summarising what already happened on the last couple of pages though. What do you actually think about it? Do you agree with it or do you disagree? If so, why do you think that? I'm more interested in getting your thoughts on what I've said rather than just making a tl;dr of what happened previously.
Hey man, defending laggy is literally like Ausmash textbook 101 bad player material so you're the one who's bad not me. : P
As a point of interest mate, I appreciate you agreeing with me so frequently but from the perspective of everybody else it's 10000% going to look like we are connected in some way. It's probably better not to give anti-town players 'evidence' to use against us later down the track.
01/25/2019 08:53:38
Maribro said:
Bijou seems to be tunneling a little too hard… Maybe you should reread the thread and try and focus on some other players you'd like to hear from/learn more about.
I don't think it's fair to say I've been tunneling. Around page 6 was where I recognised Laggy was playing differently and threw a vote on him. By time I re-focused my vote on him in page 11 I had thought about it more by that stage and decided that was the avenue I should be pursuing.
On page 12 all I did was respond to any comments/criticisms that I was hoping would come from re-voting Laggy so I'm not sure that saying I'm tunneling here is correct. I find it interesting that people seem to be mostly ignoring the Laggy train and are going for DD instead actually.
As I said in an earlier post, I find that players who have vote trains put on them in day 1 are actually more likely to be town players than mafia. The reason for this is.. let's say there are 5 mafia? So if a mafia player is getting trained on then I would say at least 3 out of 4 of the remaining mafia are probably not going to join in on the train.
If 5 players out of 22 (assuming there are 5 mafia including the person being voted on) all decide to not be a part of the lynch train then that is 22% of the players in this game.
Whereas if a town player gets voted on it is in the mafia's interested to push the lynch train on that player. ie. 22% more players are going to have an involvement in a town player lynch train.
Obviously this doesn't account for mafia actually voting against mafia, but as a basic example you can see that in general it is going to be easier for a town player to be day 1 lynched than a mafia player.
The point I'm making here is that a surprising number of players have mostly ignored potential Laggy lynch trains. Twice. So am I tunneling or am I onto something here?
Extra said:
not 100% convinced by bijou's argument but also not convinced by dean's counterargument. laggy being mafia doesn't necessarily mean the other mafia members would be crafting his posts for him. chances are it'd be something more simple than that, basic suggestions that he goes ahead and words however he feels like. i don't get the feeling any of his posts are 'manufactured'.
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This is important. I've already answered this criticism but I think most players have overlooked it, pretty sure I've seen a bunch of other people assume this is my argument for why I think Laggy could be anti-town.
The mafia are not helping Laggy manufacture posts. My argument is that: When a player is on the mafia team they have access to information that the rest of the game does not have. They know who all the other mafia players are.
Extra mentioned this in his previous post, that being on the mafia team allows you to play more freely and more confidently. Because you know who the other mafia players are you can more easily direct town discussion away from certain players and onto others.
In addition to this, you have help in general from the other players in your mafia team. They're not writing posts for him, but it is easy to say "hey I'm planning on responding like this, what do you think? IS this a good idea or not?". This kind of feedback can help a player more frequently make helpful 'town' posts than they otherwise would have if they were a townsperson.
JEANS said:
Bijou too seems to be going off of gut feelings with his attack on laggy. While his arguments werent amazing or anything im a bit shitty with the town for breaking down his posts before laggy could even respond.
While it started as a gut feeling, the more I think about it the more I think it makes sense. I think I've supplied some pretty reasonable arguments so far regarding Laggy in general.
Literally all you're doing is just summarising what already happened on the last couple of pages though. What do you actually think about it? Do you agree with it or do you disagree? If so, why do you think that? I'm more interested in getting your thoughts on what I've said rather than just making a tl;dr of what happened previously.
dean said:
@JEANS: On one hand you're right; I shouldn't have defended Laggy.
On the other hand, Bijou asked me a question and it would've been rude not to answer. So it's Bijou's fault for being a bad player!
Hey man, defending laggy is literally like Ausmash textbook 101 bad player material so you're the one who's bad not me. : P
Exist said:
I’m also interested to hear asa’s thoughts. He is the only player so far to voice a scum read on Bijou and I. It sounds like he has some interesting opinions to bring to the table.
As a point of interest mate, I appreciate you agreeing with me so frequently but from the perspective of everybody else it's 10000% going to look like we are connected in some way. It's probably better not to give anti-town players 'evidence' to use against us later down the track.
01/25/2019 08:53:38
Hey, I haven't quite caught up with everything yet but I don't have much going on tomorrow so I should be able to catch up and re-read everything. There is a lot more going on than I was expecting for day 1 but I'll try to be more active going forward.
01/25/2019 12:36:22
01/25/2019 12:36:22
jesus christ can you guys stop writing essays? i've been sitting here for about 4 hours trying to catch up and have got about 5 or 6 double-sided pages of notes and I only just made it to page 12 on here :^(
I wana post all my thoughts about what I've found now, but rn my hand is killing me from 3 and a half hours of nonstop writing and I REALLY don't wanna type out a long thing about all my thoughts rn, so a quick tldr thing for now and then I'll post something more useful tomorrow:
- feeling pretty confident about Bijou atm, and I agree with him about TLP being sus
- wanna say the same about Booz, but haven't seen him play enough to know if his spontaneous change in behaviour after getting voted is a big deal or not
-Exist is also playing differently this game, I think MrL mentioned something about that, will need to look through my notes later to give more detail about that
-just saw that Varous' name is missing from the top post thingy, and is replaced by Asa, but just anna say I reckon he was innocent (we'll see what Asa has to say though)
- atm I'm actually the most sus about Insie, which I'll go into a lot of detail about later
- hecc Ben Gold
- dean is interesting, I don't think I fully trust him rn but he wouldn't be my first guess for mafia
- I also don't proper trust Extra or DD rn (for different reasons)
I'm also not gonna vote just yet since I'm still not all caught up
I should also mention that atm despite the stupid amount of time I've been taking writing up notes, I don't think day 1 is particularly important in a game as big as this, so I'm not too worried about who we lynch
aight expect big things from me tomorrow
...unless I end up having people over to practice, in which case ayylmao
01/25/2019 12:46:58
I wana post all my thoughts about what I've found now, but rn my hand is killing me from 3 and a half hours of nonstop writing and I REALLY don't wanna type out a long thing about all my thoughts rn, so a quick tldr thing for now and then I'll post something more useful tomorrow:
- feeling pretty confident about Bijou atm, and I agree with him about TLP being sus
- wanna say the same about Booz, but haven't seen him play enough to know if his spontaneous change in behaviour after getting voted is a big deal or not
-Exist is also playing differently this game, I think MrL mentioned something about that, will need to look through my notes later to give more detail about that
-just saw that Varous' name is missing from the top post thingy, and is replaced by Asa, but just anna say I reckon he was innocent (we'll see what Asa has to say though)
- atm I'm actually the most sus about Insie, which I'll go into a lot of detail about later
- hecc Ben Gold
- dean is interesting, I don't think I fully trust him rn but he wouldn't be my first guess for mafia
- I also don't proper trust Extra or DD rn (for different reasons)
I'm also not gonna vote just yet since I'm still not all caught up
I should also mention that atm despite the stupid amount of time I've been taking writing up notes, I don't think day 1 is particularly important in a game as big as this, so I'm not too worried about who we lynch
aight expect big things from me tomorrow
...unless I end up having people over to practice, in which case ayylmao
01/25/2019 12:46:58
I mean, I’ve agreed with you once bijou but whatever you say.
01/25/2019 14:31:36
01/25/2019 14:31:36
Bijou said:
This is fucking retarded logic unless you think that laggy and I are setting up a mafia play by me attacking him to disassociate myself with him lol.
That's exactly what I meant when I said this :
How much Mafia experience does laggy have?
Is bus kun going to turn him into a hero for the mafia?
I'll give my reasoning for my top 3 now at least, the rest will have to wait until I get a chance to sit down and read the thread properly to get quotes and stuff.
Exist
Posted a lot without actually saying anything.
Lots of statements, helpful little posts which appear like activity, but don't have any observations or insight/personal thoughts in them.
I don't like that kinda play
I get that it's not fluff period, but if no one wants to start it off, then d1 just ends in no lynch/policy lynch.
Laggy
Feels new/inexperienced
Deflected to Mr L fluff train after being pressured with 50/50 choice by aero
Bijou
On a slightly releated note, Laggy is making a lot of sense in his posts and claiming it's because he has improved over the last two years. Clearly he is getting assistance from the mafia in regards to actually posting useful content.
Thoughts?
Vote: ThatLaggyPerson
Making a lot of sense? Up until this point I haven't seen much except him being floppy and clueless
Actually I just reached your first vote for laggy and I am interested to see what you mean by this
The other thing I find unusual is that Laggy is usually like the go-to person to lynch day 1 and nobody is going here whatsoever.
Are player policy lynches a standard thing here for some reason?
Why does exist immediately flop into this wagon?
I'm not going to lie, you've convinced me. I know at some point in the game, someone is going to make a comment about me throwing votes around, but this is the best reasoning I've read in all 11 pages of this discussion. We don't have a lot to go off of on day 1 but given the information we do have, this seems to make by far the most sense.
Vote: ThatLaggyPerson
As a point of interest mate, I appreciate you agreeing with me so frequently but from the perspective of everybody else it's 10000% going to look like we are connected in some way. It's probably better not to give anti-town players 'evidence' to use against us later down the track.
Is mafia day talk a common thing in aus smash mafia?
I really want to hear more from exist right now. In 13 pages, Exist really hasn't said anything at all
01/25/2019 15:51:59
asa said:
That's exactly what I meant when I said this :
How much Mafia experience does laggy have?
Is bus kun going to turn him into a hero for the mafia?
I literally have no idea what this means. Can you translate this into a sentence that actually makes sense?
asa said:Making a lot of sense? Up until this point I haven't seen much except him being floppy and clueless
Actually I just reached your first vote for laggy and I am interested to see what you mean by this
Yes, in comparison to previous games he has played in he has vastly improved his gameplay.
By 'making sense' I mean this in comparison to the sort of things he used to post. In this game so far he has shown a lot more thought and effort in his posts than usual.
I can appreciate to a new player here like yourself that doesn't sound very impressive but as far as I see it I think it's an accurate thing to say.
asa said:Are player policy lynches a standard thing here for some reason?
Hey Maribro look. We have to explain this shit again.
Yes, policy lynching is done here in literally every game ever. Reason being is because Atyeo used maths in an early game to show no voting day 1 is a waste for town.
However since we have little information to work off day one it is incredibly difficult to reach a majority to lynch someone day 1.
If you have played mafia elsewhere, I have learned that day one in other games you don't need to reach a majority to lynch, whoever has the highest number of votes dies.
So in our case since we do not do this, voting for a policy lynch day one is usually the optimal play because no lynching is bad and hitting a majority otherwise is extremely difficult.
asa said:Is mafia day talk a common thing in aus smash mafia?
I would say that in 80% of our games on this forum the mafia has been able to day talk.
Though now that you mention it I suppose it's possible this game is an exception. Perhaps one of the mafia would kindly let us know one way or the other?
01/26/2019 00:56:06
Bijou said:
I literally have no idea what this means. Can you translate this into a sentence that actually makes sense?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing
Yes, in comparison to previous games he has played in he has vastly improved his gameplay.
By 'making sense' I mean this in comparison to the sort of things he used to post. In this game so far he has shown a lot more thought and effort in his posts than usual.
I can appreciate to a new player here like yourself that doesn't sound very impressive but as far as I see it I think it's an accurate thing to say.
OK, that's fair enough.
I was going off the context of when you voted him and the comparison of when you unvoted. It really didn't seem like much had changed.
I also misread and thought your first vote was an unvote because he was making more sense.
I'd like to know why you voted him twice though, both times asking for other people's thoughts instead of trying to provide reasons on why he's scum and convincing us to vote for him
Hey Maribro look. We have to explain this shit again.
No I'm not asking you to explain policy lynching.
I'm asking about player policy lynching. Lynching x player on policy regardless of their actions in the current game. They might as well not sign up at that point.
I would say that in 80% of our games on this forum the mafia has been able to day talk.
Seems broken.
01/26/2019 02:29:31
I just spent over an hour making my post and my computer just froze and I am fucking mad
Will redo my post later when I have gotten over it
01/26/2019 03:21:05
Will redo my post later when I have gotten over it
01/26/2019 03:21:05
Atyeo said:
I just spent over an hour making my post and my computer just froze and I am fucking mad
Will redo my post later when I have gotten over it
oof, thats terrible :/
Unvote as asa is proving to be useful and a valued member. i have no reads atm other than the inactive people being inactive.
01/26/2019 05:14:55