Might also be a good idea to look at what train was happening before insie brought up the possibility of a hammerer
Could have been trying to get heat off another mafia O:
02/03/2019 05:33:59
Following Boozer's train of thought, the vote train was on Varous (now asa) at that point in time. While I don't think asa is scum, I guess it's possible that this is some huge meta play.
02/03/2019 07:11:42
02/03/2019 07:11:42
following off both of you, the current vote train from that (i believe) was DD, then Bijou brought up that he mentioned hammerer as a possible role, then everyone went on the insie vote train.
(i'm not actually voting for DD, just quoting what I said)
02/03/2019 07:31:07
ThatLaggyPerson said:
i honestly have nothing left to say. i assume that DD has the most votes so Vote: DD
(i'm not actually voting for DD, just quoting what I said)
02/03/2019 07:31:07
DD and Insie have been suspiciously quiet while also both lurking and deflecting. Did DD vote Insie to bus him?
I think a DD lynch tomorrow is a fairly good idea. (Alternatively if the Arsonist could kill DD that would be wonderful; don't forget, you can't win if the Mafia outnumber you.)
02/03/2019 07:56:33
I think a DD lynch tomorrow is a fairly good idea. (Alternatively if the Arsonist could kill DD that would be wonderful; don't forget, you can't win if the Mafia outnumber you.)
02/03/2019 07:56:33
I don't think that is relevant Laggy, It doesn't really make sense to throw a mafia member under the bus to protect another mafia member unless I'm missing something.
02/03/2019 08:36:58
02/03/2019 08:36:58
Ok so I honestly have no idea why I wasn't lynched, I think a governor saved me. I am town aligned Hammerer which was why I mentioned it, after people called me out on that I made up that lie about checking mafia wiki to try and get out of it without revealing but it didn't do much. Also why I said "May as well vote for myself" because I was forced to lol
02/03/2019 08:55:45
02/03/2019 08:55:45
Insie said:
Ok so I honestly have no idea why I wasn't lynched, I think a governor saved me. I am town aligned Hammerer which was why I mentioned it, after people called me out on that I made up that lie about checking mafia wiki to try and get out of it without revealing but it didn't do much. Also why I said "May as well vote for myself" because I was forced to lol
If you tell us who the other mafia members are we'll let you live maybe.
02/03/2019 09:16:21
howdy, so I've been keeping up with this not nearly enough, but I also have asked to be replaced when someone can be found, as I have pretty much negative drive to try and keep up with this, in case you hadn't noticed by now :v
i'm gonna try and do a quick skim of what I've missed as so I can catch up and be somewhat useful while I wait, but don't expect big things from me this game.
Apologies, will think a little harder before I join a game next time
02/03/2019 09:33:04
i'm gonna try and do a quick skim of what I've missed as so I can catch up and be somewhat useful while I wait, but don't expect big things from me this game.
Apologies, will think a little harder before I join a game next time
02/03/2019 09:33:04
If we vote for insie again, what's to stop him being unlynchable again? Can the governor not retarget the sane person on consecutive days?
Also, are town aligned hammerers a thing? Everyone seems to think hammerers are generally scum.
02/03/2019 09:38:28
Also, are town aligned hammerers a thing? Everyone seems to think hammerers are generally scum.
02/03/2019 09:38:28
So either:
Insie is not town or atleast not governor, and governor saved him (More likely that he knew he would be saved given his prior behaviour)
Insie is lynchproof
Insie is governor and saved himself
I think the first and last scenarios are most likely, he is probably mafia. If governor is town they achieved the same as if we voted for no lynch which we decided we did not want, so they could be a new player or more likely a mafia player as well. I think Insie being governor best explains why they'd reveal 2 roles in one night, but I suppose wasting a day and having 2 townies killed was a worthwhile trade for insie's inevitable lynching. It'd make sense if this situation is what took mafia so long to decide on what to do?
If we have a coroner it'd be good to check his role when he gets lynched to verify whether it's the governor, or hammerer that remains.
I think Bijou could be a likely hammerer given his unvote before the insie lynch and potentially taking this gaff on Insie's part as an opportunity to put himself in a pro-town position
02/03/2019 10:08:02
Insie is not town or atleast not governor, and governor saved him (More likely that he knew he would be saved given his prior behaviour)
Insie is lynchproof
Insie is governor and saved himself
I think the first and last scenarios are most likely, he is probably mafia. If governor is town they achieved the same as if we voted for no lynch which we decided we did not want, so they could be a new player or more likely a mafia player as well. I think Insie being governor best explains why they'd reveal 2 roles in one night, but I suppose wasting a day and having 2 townies killed was a worthwhile trade for insie's inevitable lynching. It'd make sense if this situation is what took mafia so long to decide on what to do?
If we have a coroner it'd be good to check his role when he gets lynched to verify whether it's the governor, or hammerer that remains.
I think Bijou could be a likely hammerer given his unvote before the insie lynch and potentially taking this gaff on Insie's part as an opportunity to put himself in a pro-town position
02/03/2019 10:08:02
It's not that the governer can't target the same person, it's just that they usually are limited to the number of times they can use their ability. It is potentially only a one-shot ability. A town aligned hammerer could theoretically be a thing, it's very uncommon though. In this game, Ice Climbers are a character that would probably make sense in a pro-town hammering role. I think it's safe to say we have an anti-town Governer on our hands though, if Insie is a pro-town hammerer, it could make sense to keep him alive, making us waste a second lynch on a townie. I find it somewhat hard to believe that we have a pro-town hammerer and an anti-town Governor in the same game though as a pro-town hammerer is negative utility which indicates that town would need to have some very powerful roles to compensate, especially since an anti-town hammerer is very powerful, it removes town's main weapon. Our lynch.
02/03/2019 10:13:12
02/03/2019 10:13:12
Thanks for the explanation.
Vote: Insie
02/03/2019 10:18:48
Vote: Insie
02/03/2019 10:18:48
I'm definetly not governor lol, also forgot to say because I hammered someone (including me) I got to choose between 1 shot cop, kill or medic so investigated Aero and he's town
02/03/2019 10:32:16
02/03/2019 10:32:16
MrL said:
I think Bijou could be a likely hammerer given his unvote before the insie lynch and potentially taking this gaff on Insie's part as an opportunity to put himself in a pro-town position
For what it's worth, if I was available to place the 10th vote on Insie I would have done it had I not been at work at the time. Who is even active at like 2pm on a Thursday in Australia anyway?
But since Mr L is calling me out I'm going to run with my "really easy to prove" thing that I was talking about before.
In this game the hammerer clearly hammers the person being voted on whether they've placed a vote or not.
Finding out that there is a hammerer has pretty much confirmed Insie as anti-town unless there is some seriously messed up roles in this game. All the hammerer would have had to do was place a vote on Insie earlier in the vote train to hide their presence.
Given that this did not happen the hammerer clearly couldn't avoid hammering Insie regardless of what they did to stop it.
By the way, the wiki mentions this: "A Hammerer who can hammer a wagon they are already on is essentially a Doublevoter, and thus much stronger if anti-Town." https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hammerer
Therefore the hammerer could have been literally any player in this thread.
I kinda wanted to see what other people would say to defend themselves about this first before I posted this since I don't really want to give any other anti town players a defense but at the same time I'm going to nip this in the bud before people start pointing fingers at me for unvoting him.
By the way, after Dean voted for Insie it was Aero and I that started the lynch train on him to begin with. The only reason I unvoted him is because I wanted to give him time to claim a role if he actually had anything useful for town (and thus avoid another fuckup like MrL had in the last game, huehuhehue). Oh yeah and the reason the hammerer would have wanted to hide their power is because the existence of one pretty much proves that Insie is anti-town (plus they wouldn't want to lynch another mafia member if possible).
Had the hammerer been able to NOT hammer then it would have been possible for Insie to probably argue his way out of why we were voting for him at all.
02/03/2019 10:39:36
Shouldn’t have lynched me maybe 🤷♀️
02/03/2019 10:41:55
02/03/2019 10:41:55
Bijou said:
By the way, the wiki mentions this: "A Hammerer who can hammer a wagon they are already on is essentially a Doublevoter, and thus much stronger if anti-Town." https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hammerer
Therefore the hammerer could have been literally any player in this thread.
The double voter thing actually seems likely, wouldnt a competent hammerer place their vote on the person who was going to get L1 to keep their role a secret (if they were scum?)
02/03/2019 10:43:55
Insie said:
I'm definetly not governor lol, also forgot to say because I hammered someone (including me) I got to choose between 1 shot cop, kill or medic so investigated Aero and he's town
No, retarded logic. Why would you let yourself be hammered unless you knew that some random player was going to save you during the twilight phase? With a role that is traditionally anti town?
And then you're saying you got a power for it? There's literally a 0.1% chance that a hammerer would hammer themselves in a game, a player saves them from being hammered AND you get rewarded for hammering someone. The chances of that happening are so small that you may as well start buying tattslotto tickets as your main source of income too.
02/03/2019 10:45:46
I didn't get the choice to hammer my self, it's automatic
02/03/2019 10:52:51
02/03/2019 10:52:51
Insie said:
I didn't get the choice to hammer my self, it's automatic
If you didn't get a choice to do it then you're 10000% not going to get rewarded with a power for having it happen.
That would basically mean every night phase you get to pick between cop, doctor and vig? That's super overpowered lol
02/03/2019 10:57:47
sort of why I didn't want to reveal to be honest, seemed like a strong role
02/03/2019 11:00:46
02/03/2019 11:00:46
If you have an insanely overpowered role like that and you're about to get lynched then you definitely need to claim it. Hence why I unvoted you to give you time to do that.
Letting yourself die to a lynch when you have a strong power role is the worst thing you can do as town. You're better off at least making the mafia use a night kill on you than having a town lynch be wasted. In fact now that I think about it you didn't even need to tell us about your supposed other powers.
All you had to do yesterday was claim you were a town hammerer and you probably wouldn't have been night killed either.
Whether or not we believed you were a town hammerer is another issue but you should have at least tried.
02/03/2019 11:11:36
Letting yourself die to a lynch when you have a strong power role is the worst thing you can do as town. You're better off at least making the mafia use a night kill on you than having a town lynch be wasted. In fact now that I think about it you didn't even need to tell us about your supposed other powers.
All you had to do yesterday was claim you were a town hammerer and you probably wouldn't have been night killed either.
Whether or not we believed you were a town hammerer is another issue but you should have at least tried.
02/03/2019 11:11:36
Vote: Insie
02/03/2019 11:48:55
02/03/2019 11:48:55
Okay, reading through the thread, I'm pretty much in the same line of thinking as Bijou. Insie's claim is interesting, but applying Occham's Razor means that he's our definite lynch target for today. And if he does flip town then he can blame his death on the mods for giving him an anti-town role in a town alignment.
I had initially thought of trying to put Insie at L-1 with the same train as yesterday except with him on it in order to verify his claim, but unfortunately it's not his role but his alignment that we're trying to verify. That said, perhaps it could be useful to do regardless just to confirm that once we get rid of him the hammerer is indeed gone. PS. Holding off on my vote until we organise how we're doing the train.
02/03/2019 12:08:33
I had initially thought of trying to put Insie at L-1 with the same train as yesterday except with him on it in order to verify his claim, but unfortunately it's not his role but his alignment that we're trying to verify. That said, perhaps it could be useful to do regardless just to confirm that once we get rid of him the hammerer is indeed gone. PS. Holding off on my vote until we organise how we're doing the train.
02/03/2019 12:08:33
We could get insie to vote himself and put him on l-1 to see if he's lying about being hammerer
There's no way town would use governer on insie and there's no way mafia would waste governer on day 1 surely
02/03/2019 13:21:42
There's no way town would use governer on insie and there's no way mafia would waste governer on day 1 surely
02/03/2019 13:21:42
I believe insie smile
maybe he JUST is literal god role that each night can choose between invest heal kill but so it's more 'balanced' he is town hammerer. Also insie is it possible for you to like bank your 'points' and then like heal and kill on the same night or do you got to use it straight away.
also the whole he didnt defend himself is whatever maybe you guys forgot how dumbfuck these mafia games are. hasnt an innocent child or unlynchable been town lynched like on 2 different occasions.
bijou also said it himself. day 1 lynch is never mafia cause 5 mafia can vote and influence it so a bandwagon is never onto one of their own.
02/03/2019 13:50:39
maybe he JUST is literal god role that each night can choose between invest heal kill but so it's more 'balanced' he is town hammerer. Also insie is it possible for you to like bank your 'points' and then like heal and kill on the same night or do you got to use it straight away.
also the whole he didnt defend himself is whatever maybe you guys forgot how dumbfuck these mafia games are. hasnt an innocent child or unlynchable been town lynched like on 2 different occasions.
bijou also said it himself. day 1 lynch is never mafia cause 5 mafia can vote and influence it so a bandwagon is never onto one of their own.
02/03/2019 13:50:39