Insie, what character do you claim to be?
02/03/2019 14:29:21
Also why would you investigate me of all people
02/03/2019 15:04:43
02/03/2019 15:04:43
hello
02/03/2019 16:35:01
02/03/2019 16:35:01
Hello zambezius. Are you replacing another player?
02/03/2019 20:56:54
02/03/2019 20:56:54
There has been a lot of intruders this game : s
02/03/2019 20:58:27
02/03/2019 20:58:27
And they're all Victorian. Really says a lot about your state.
02/03/2019 21:29:01
02/03/2019 21:29:01
Hes a lucas main get him
02/03/2019 22:57:17
02/03/2019 22:57:17
Vote: zambezius
02/03/2019 23:31:07
02/03/2019 23:31:07
vote: zambezius
02/03/2019 23:46:02
02/03/2019 23:46:02
Hi Jamie. How are you?
So this was the method that I was thinking of yesterday that could prove that Insie was the (town/mafia) hammerer and not a mafia teammate:
We have nine players other than Insie that could have been a potential hammerer (Atyeo, Blaze, Glace, ThatLaggyPerson, JEANS, asa, MrL, Bijou, Voltz). Conveniently it takes nine votes to get to L-1.
If Insie votes for himself, then we can fit eight of the players above on the vote train until Insie reaches L-1.
If he gets auto-hammered, then the one player not on the vote train is a mafia hammerer and should be lynched day 3.
If he isn't auto-hammered, then we rotate the one player not on the wagon through unvoting and voting until either Insie gets auto-hammered at L-1 or we go through all the players with no hammer (which would prove that Insie is the hammerer).
If Insie refuses to vote for himself, then I think this is an admission that he's mafia and is trying to cover for a hammerer teammate. If he was the hammerer why would he not take the chance to prove it? Unless I've missed something obvious with the above theory in which case please let me know.
In this scenario we'd do the same process as above, just replacing Insie's vote with someone from yesterday's wagon (me, Aerodrome, etc.)
(in case it wasn't obvious whoever puts him on L-1 needs to unvote straight away)
Where this theory falls apart is if we had a doublevoter-esque hammerer such as like Bijou suggested.
In which case Insie would die the moment he's on L-1 no matter who was on the train.
But we haven't actually PROVED that the hammerer functions in this way, and if it does work this way:
a) at least we tried
b) we end up lynching the guy who we were planning on lynching anyway (I can't actually think of a reason why Insie survived yesterday's lynch without coming to the conclusion that he's mafia. There isn't any reason a town governor would save Insie)
02/04/2019 00:12:44
So this was the method that I was thinking of yesterday that could prove that Insie was the (town/mafia) hammerer and not a mafia teammate:
We have nine players other than Insie that could have been a potential hammerer (Atyeo, Blaze, Glace, ThatLaggyPerson, JEANS, asa, MrL, Bijou, Voltz). Conveniently it takes nine votes to get to L-1.
If Insie votes for himself, then we can fit eight of the players above on the vote train until Insie reaches L-1.
If he gets auto-hammered, then the one player not on the vote train is a mafia hammerer and should be lynched day 3.
If he isn't auto-hammered, then we rotate the one player not on the wagon through unvoting and voting until either Insie gets auto-hammered at L-1 or we go through all the players with no hammer (which would prove that Insie is the hammerer).
If Insie refuses to vote for himself, then I think this is an admission that he's mafia and is trying to cover for a hammerer teammate. If he was the hammerer why would he not take the chance to prove it? Unless I've missed something obvious with the above theory in which case please let me know.
In this scenario we'd do the same process as above, just replacing Insie's vote with someone from yesterday's wagon (me, Aerodrome, etc.)
(in case it wasn't obvious whoever puts him on L-1 needs to unvote straight away)
Where this theory falls apart is if we had a doublevoter-esque hammerer such as like Bijou suggested.
In which case Insie would die the moment he's on L-1 no matter who was on the train.
But we haven't actually PROVED that the hammerer functions in this way, and if it does work this way:
a) at least we tried
b) we end up lynching the guy who we were planning on lynching anyway (I can't actually think of a reason why Insie survived yesterday's lynch without coming to the conclusion that he's mafia. There isn't any reason a town governor would save Insie)
02/04/2019 00:12:44
This is what I suggested before ^
At any rate insie is 100% our lynch for today. Unvote
Well get to it friends. Vote 1 Insie.
02/04/2019 00:26:16
At any rate insie is 100% our lynch for today. Unvote
Well get to it friends. Vote 1 Insie.
02/04/2019 00:26:16
Oh true, you did.
Well I said it in more words.
02/04/2019 00:28:59
Well I said it in more words.
02/04/2019 00:28:59
You articulated it way better than me so I forgive you.
02/04/2019 00:31:39
02/04/2019 00:31:39
If insie refuses to vote for himself then its most likely hes doublevoter correct? even though he dies itd be really unlucky for one of us as wed be suspected as hammerer, if we do undergo that plan I am happy to volunteer to go first incase he IS double voter.
02/04/2019 00:33:38
02/04/2019 00:33:38
Unvote
Gonna place my bets on insie being gov'ner covering for hammerer friendo
02/04/2019 00:36:05
Gonna place my bets on insie being gov'ner covering for hammerer friendo
02/04/2019 00:36:05
Sorry guys I realised the ACTUAL biggest flaw in the plan: it requires DD reading the thread so that he unvotes.
02/04/2019 00:40:35
02/04/2019 00:40:35
^^^^^
I thought this aswell, its possible that Insie is actually a govener and will just save himself again, if he is a town aligned hammerer why would a govener who is most likely anti town save insie? can we get the mods to message DD telling him that the town is asking for him to unvote
02/04/2019 00:43:03
I thought this aswell, its possible that Insie is actually a govener and will just save himself again, if he is a town aligned hammerer why would a govener who is most likely anti town save insie? can we get the mods to message DD telling him that the town is asking for him to unvote
02/04/2019 00:43:03
It also requires literally all 18 of us to coordinate our votes, which I don't think is entirely practical. If we can manage it though I'm okay to try. Well, by all 18 I mean it requires the previous train to not vote at all. Which could easily be messed with.
02/04/2019 01:10:16
02/04/2019 01:10:16
Governor is usually 1 shot because taking away towns lynch is inherently broken
02/04/2019 01:16:52
02/04/2019 01:16:52
If it was one shot why would it be used on Insie? (either hes the govener and he just saved his ass, his oneshot is useless if hes dead, but if hes not govener, why waste it on a hammerer if the role could be easily worked around?)
02/04/2019 01:20:07
02/04/2019 01:20:07
He's obviously just mafia 1 shot governer with a hammerer teammate that he accidentally outed, got lynched and then saved himself.
02/04/2019 01:36:15
02/04/2019 01:36:15
As far as why the 1 shot would be wasted on a hammerer, maybe Insie's claim is more truthful than we think. If he really is a mafia aligned, hammerer/jack of all trades, he would definitely be worth protecting. there is one possibility that I'm a bit scared of though. What if Insie's slip up wasn't accidental. Maybe we're not dealing with an X-shot Governer. If Insie has this role, and the governor isn't X-Shot, the mafia will have wasted multiple town lynches. I want to believe that this powerful combination would have been thought of and hopefully not be in the game but I don't know what sort of power roles town has. Maybe we are also op. In saying that, Occam's Razor and all.
02/04/2019 01:52:30
02/04/2019 01:52:30
I trust the game mods not to put a governor that can use their powers every day.
02/04/2019 01:56:57
02/04/2019 01:56:57
The only issue I see with trying to coordinate this play is that if the hammerer could have prevented themselves from hammering Insie then surely they would have done it yesterday? Or am I missing something?
02/04/2019 01:59:50
02/04/2019 01:59:50
As it stands we just need JonCheee and DD to unvote.
If people from yesterday's train start voting or people not from yesterday's train don't vote then we lynch them day 3 or 4 since they're clearly acting VERY anti-town unless they have a valid reason why the strat wouldn't work. This shouldn't be hard to organise.
As mentioned earlier the main issue is that if Insie gets hammered on our very first test (e.g. say we're testing Blaze) we can't say for sure whether it was because the hammerer functioned as a double-voter or whether it was because e.g. Blaze was the hammerer. This would be unfortunate but not detrimental; we still lynch the dude we're going to lynch and town just needs to not jump to conclusions about e.g. Blaze's alignment.
So it's interesting that Blaze volunteered to go first hey.
Mafia governors are x-shot because having unlynchable mafiosi sucks.
I would imagine that a mafia governor would have acted last twilight because either:
a) Insie has a useful power role for them, perhaps a rolecop or another investigative role
b) they were worried they would die before getting another good opportunity to use their power
c) It doesn't really matter who they save; they're just stalling for time / pushing for more night phases
Aero you were on a mafia team with a mafia governor before, I imagine the reasoning would be similar to this.
02/04/2019 02:12:11
If people from yesterday's train start voting or people not from yesterday's train don't vote then we lynch them day 3 or 4 since they're clearly acting VERY anti-town unless they have a valid reason why the strat wouldn't work. This shouldn't be hard to organise.
As mentioned earlier the main issue is that if Insie gets hammered on our very first test (e.g. say we're testing Blaze) we can't say for sure whether it was because the hammerer functioned as a double-voter or whether it was because e.g. Blaze was the hammerer. This would be unfortunate but not detrimental; we still lynch the dude we're going to lynch and town just needs to not jump to conclusions about e.g. Blaze's alignment.
So it's interesting that Blaze volunteered to go first hey.
Mafia governors are x-shot because having unlynchable mafiosi sucks.
I would imagine that a mafia governor would have acted last twilight because either:
a) Insie has a useful power role for them, perhaps a rolecop or another investigative role
b) they were worried they would die before getting another good opportunity to use their power
c) It doesn't really matter who they save; they're just stalling for time / pushing for more night phases
Aero you were on a mafia team with a mafia governor before, I imagine the reasoning would be similar to this.
02/04/2019 02:12:11