World of Light themed Mafia - Game Over, Dark Faction Wins!

ThatLaggyPerson said:
anyways, although ben gold is a meme, i think he should be kept alive (yknow, survivor). could prove useful to town in the future.

Ben Gold is innocent child so he definitely should be kept alive.

Asa said:
If you think I'm scummy now though, then there must already be reasons - no need to wait for future interactions right?

You misunderstand. I'm still waiting to see if you're going to admit you were completely wrong about JEANS. It's hard for you to do that when you're not playing.

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04/10/2019 10:14:22

Bijou said:

Asa said:
If you think I'm scummy now though, then there must already be reasons - no need to wait for future interactions right?

You misunderstand. I'm still waiting to see if you're going to admit you were completely wrong about JEANS. It's hard for you to do that when you're not playing.

yeah I'm not quite sure I follow where you're getting to get at here.
What does me admitting I'm wrong about jeans do? Is it even something I need to do considering the obvious?

What does me not playing have to do with anything? Between server issues, katamari, and gong I know I've been absent for a while. But if I'm scummy, then there should be more than enough content to go off by now.
And so what does jeans have to do with this, unless me being wrong is your sole reason for wanting me lynched, which is dumb and anti town @aero I had some unanswered questions from before

@aero why does Bijou not being on the jeans train put him as +town?

Also how am I playing strange? I haven't even played game here yet lmao.

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04/10/2019 12:04:50

im finally back sorry guys!!! i know its really shitty to do an activity post right away but i dont have the energy to do anything besides fall asleep so ill make a proper post tomorrow.

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04/10/2019 12:08:19

Optus messed up the delivery for the router so I won't have internet until Friday/Monday now. I usually do most of my posts at home and the phone reception is horrible in the house so bare with me for a bit. I'd rather not go into why I was falling behind in day 1 since it's rather personal but it's mostly cleared up now so once I get internet I should be able to analyse everything more efficiently.

Since the topic is on blaze now, his posting habits look suspicious however I'm unsure if that means he's mafia. I feel like blaze didn't really understand why he was lynched day 1 last game from what I'm reading and he looks kind of lost. It's day 2 now the mafia would be guaranteed to be able to communicate at this point but he's still doing basically nothing like on day 1. I would think that if he's mafia that a teammate would help him find his footing a bit since he was asking for clarification a lot in the previous games but it doesn't seem like the case.

I'm getting similar vibes from blaze in this game from after he was pressured in the last game but I haven't seen him play as mafia before so basically my question at the moment is how much would his play change between the two roles? At the moment I'm still on the fence since I agree that his activity isn't looking very good as well as some poor responses but I'm more town leaning right now considering this.

I'm interested in hearing what the other Qld players have to say since you guys would know him better than me. Do you think that the day 1 Lynch in last game could be affecting how he playing in this game, to the extent that it is?

We shouldn't let his just say nothing so we should pressure him now so that we can avoid the inactivity problem we had on the first day but at the moment I want to see how it develops first.

Sorry if that got a bit rambley it's a lot harder to edit on my phone.

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04/10/2019 13:02:54

asa said:What does me admitting I'm wrong about jeans do? Is it even something I need to do considering the obvious?

Considering you were gloating about how much of a god you were going to look like because of your amazing read you look pretty silly in hindsight.

If you can't admit you were wrong and apologise for it then you're probably anti town.

Windkeeper0 said:
Since the topic is on blaze now, his posting habits look suspicious however I'm unsure if that means he's mafia. I feel like blaze didn't really understand why he was lynched day 1 last game from what I'm reading and he looks kind of lost. It's day 2 now the mafia would be guaranteed to be able to communicate at this point but he's still doing basically nothing like on day 1. I would think that if he's mafia that a teammate would help him find his footing a bit since he was asking for clarification a lot in the previous games but it doesn't seem like the case.

I'm reading Blaze as town at the moment. In general I think he genuinely wants to be a good help for town but lacks confidence in his plays which might come across negative or make him go quiet.

I really liked your enthusiam in the first game I played with you though Blaze. If you're town you shouldn't have anything to worry about if you don't lie about anything, so don't be afraid to say what you're thinking.

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04/10/2019 13:53:21

@Bijou ooooo thank you.

ive regained my thoughts a little, ive gone to post a few times and gotten side tracked/didnt know what to say, but i think i do now.

Its hard for me to say who i think looks scummy at this point because for most players, i really dont know how they would play differently from game to game, @dean for example, last game he was mafia where he was heavily leading the conversation and town, tbh we were lucky that someone else got to him because i dont think we would ever have found him out until it was too late, (which was one of my opinions why you looked scummy) but tbf im under the impression dean leads convo each game, so that really has no meaning. I also just get a weird vibe from you tbh, just some feeling I cant shake off.

I also am not confident into reading into what people say, im not very good at finding hidden intentions behind what others say (especially thru text).

I have a feeling ill become more resourceful the next day or so.

Something id like to mention is that weve dropped the asa topic a bit, idk if theres much more to say around there though. Do you think Invisi would randomly pick out the Players, Roles and Alignments? If he split things based on skill level perhaps i think itd be unlikely that theyd put some of the better players on the same team.

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04/10/2019 14:19:46

Invisi can we have a little more transparency in the mod prods? Have you contacted Lachlan? Has he contacted you? Is there any particular reason he hasn't managed even one single post in the last 10 days?

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04/10/2019 23:52:01

asa said:
What does me not playing @aero I had some unanswered questions from before

@aero why does Bijou not being on the jeans train put him as +town?

Also how am I playing strange? I haven't even played game here yet lmao.

These questions aren't worth answering so I ignored them.

If you want an answer so bad then 1. because people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town and 2. your aggressive Bijou orientated attacks and random kirby inno child claim was just weird. Maybe BD was food poisoned by the rum raisin ice cream

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04/11/2019 00:01:51

Hello friends I am alive

I'm actually so confused about my opinions on everyone atm (and have forgotten a lot of what was said) so I'm gonna go reread like the whole thing today and make a useful post

Maybe BD was food poisoned by the rum raisin ice cream

I most definitely didn't order it out of spite

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04/11/2019 00:21:43

Blaze said:
Do you think Invisi would randomly pick out the Players, Roles and Alignments? If he split things based on skill level perhaps i think itd be unlikely that theyd put some of the better players on the same team.

I put everyone's name into a list randomiser and took the first result I got.

dean said:
Invisi can we have a little more transparency in the mod prods? Have you contacted Lachlan? Has he contacted you? Is there any particular reason he hasn't managed even one single post in the last 10 days?

I prodded everyone that hadn't posted in the last 24 hours and I think everyone I prodded has now posted? I'm happy to give more information on mod pokes if you tell me what information you want to see.

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04/11/2019 05:39:25

ok posting now


asa has been not very forthcoming with information and keeps on sorta subtly implying that he still thinks bijou is mafia? and then with bijou's weird "say you're wrong asa" thing going on... i think if you're properly sus of asa, bijou, then getting him to say 'yeah i was wrong about jeans' shouldnt really exonerate him? i am very inclined to put a vote on him right now but if you're gonna jump off if he says he's wrong then that kinda makes me feel like my pressure would be useless

putting that aside yeah i feel asa is more inclined to keep his cards close to his chest than share with town. not a big fan of that. also super inactive but was at eg so i cant judge

boozer: i still dont like any of his posts. maybe its the nature of the game but i feel like his post quality has deteriorated this day 2. have a look through and see if you agree with me https://ausmash.com.au/user/boozer

he sussed maribro repeatedly throughout the day but only put a vote on him after what i see as pretty much a meme vote from the man in question. his most recent post he also asks a question and then answers it in the same post, and also kinda fishes for info by saying 'what if theres a town killing role tho'. idk everything he posts just feels like fluff. also voted for jeans for essentially no reason, didnt post anything for 2 days but was suddenly there making a quip right when jeans got lynched. bad vibes.

i still think blaze is probably fine. give us ur gut feeling on stuff blaze. better than nothing, go with ur instincts as at least that sparks discussion

windkeeper also sorta bad vibes, he said he was gonna post a list of thoughts then his next post only mentioned blaze. he wasn't away at anything either so no real excuses. seems pretty aimless now that jeans is dead. was that your only read?

aero: his post a couple pages ago in response to dean got me thinkin

I don't agree with your post on page 16. You're looking way too hard on the day 1 lynch. Ok so there was lots of mafia on the train in the grand total of ONE game we had multiple factions in. What are the chances that is purely coincidental?

i think its probably not coincidental if you think abt how anti-town would approach the game. all they know is that one of their members is not being targeted, and its possible that the person under fire is maf. if both sides are thinking something along those lines i think it's likely that there'd be a bit of bandwagoning. probably less about coincidences and more a case of history repeating itself?

battledolphin: if hes mafia then ive hella misread him. i think probably town? looking back on his interactions regarding the day 1 lynch i feel like he approached it with an appropriate level of caution. day 2 hes just kinda been there (no offense) would like to hear others opinions on him. also his jiggs is free

im still very tired and also typed up another long thing today (follow @DS_Extra on twitter!!!!) so i think ill leave it at that and try to do a part 2 tomorrow morning? everyones been so reserved hopefully this game starts bein more active

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04/11/2019 09:38:21

Extra said:
asa has been not very forthcoming with information and keeps on sorta subtly implying that he still thinks bijou is mafia? and then with bijou's weird "say you're wrong asa" thing going on... i think if you're properly sus of asa, bijou, then getting him to say 'yeah i was wrong about jeans' shouldnt really exonerate him? i am very inclined to put a vote on him right now but if you're gonna jump off if he says he's wrong then that kinda makes me feel like my pressure would be useless

Look I'm not going to lie, I'm honestly just trying to bait him into saying he was wrong because I know he'll hate it.

Given how much he was hyping himself up as a bit of a know it all when it comes to playing mafia I feel like he's not the kinda guy to admit he fucked up so I'm just trying to push him to do it for the fun of it.

I do plan on making a post pointing out all the reasons why we should lynch him though. I get back from my trip to Daylesford tomorrow night so I should be able to put something together that will convince you to join me on the train.

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04/11/2019 10:48:55

NGL I'm feeling very unmotivated to reread through the whole thread rn but I'll get to it and just respond to stuff where I can for now

About boozer, while his post quality has deteriorated going into day 2, I feel like so has a bunch of slightly less active people's (including myself when I do) have also so idk. However he's kinda playing similarly to the Ultimate game where he was anti-town? Lots of staying reserved and memes, with the occasional small info drop to keep people off him perhaps? Idk

Wow I don't remember that aero post. "you're looking way too hard on the day 1 lynch" gives me bad vibes, and the chances are pretty low it's coincidental. So yeah basically I agree with extra there lmfao

No offense taken, I'm definitely been super inactive today. Also I took the first couple games off your wolf 🐺 >:(

Dammit bijou, I had a feeling all of your prodding on that was just useless and you just wanted to do it. Y u do dis
Feel free to post your actual reasons to lynch him tho I'm interested and don't really remember if/why he was suss

I need to reread the thread for sure rip

Also soz Dean I was the actual one driving down to gong (the whole way and back) so I basically died irl

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04/11/2019 12:52:50

Given the problems we had last week, I've offered an extension if the players want it. Vote in the mafia discord.

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04/11/2019 23:30:28

Tragic that post gives you bad vibes BD but I don't really care. All possibilities must be considered. I do like Extra's thoughts on it though.

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04/11/2019 23:53:31

man the way you word that irks me a lil......

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04/12/2019 08:14:37

Does it? Hypothetically what if Dean was mafia and knew none of his team were on the JEANS lynch train? You would be happy blindly following the "most of the mafia have to be on this train" narrative?

I mean, Extra's reasoning makes sense, but we should still approach sweeping assumptions with caution. GOOD MORNING KINGS LETS GET THIS BREAD

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04/13/2019 00:58:46

ThatLaggyPerson said:
anyways, although ben gold is a meme, i think he should be kept alive (yknow, survivor). could prove useful to town in the future.

MrL is Innocent Child, not survivor. Please do pay attention. This is honestly such a weird slip up, have you actually not been reading the thread? I can't even accuse your behaviour as lurking.

I wish Bijou vs Asa would stop… Feels like two clashing egos rather than anything productive or helpful for town.

Also, I'm a bit confused Aero. Feels like you're contradicting yourself here.

Aerodrome said:
1. because people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town

Aerodrome said:
Does it? Hypothetically what if Dean was mafia and knew none of his team were on the JEANS lynch train? You would be happy blindly following the "most of the mafia have to be on this train" narrative?

Care to elaborate?

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04/13/2019 01:18:38

Maribro said:

Aerodrome said:
1. because people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town

Aerodrome said:
Does it? Hypothetically what if Dean was mafia and knew none of his team were on the JEANS lynch train? You would be happy blindly following the "most of the mafia have to be on this train" narrative?

Care to elaborate?

Not particularly. I can't even find that first post in my post history so I don't remember the context. Read the context and use your (PLURAL) heads for once. Why are all of you quoting my posts and being like "what does this mean?" when the answer to your questions are either in the posts you're quoting or extremely obvious?

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04/13/2019 02:18:44

Right, so as promised here is a big list of things that Asa has done which are suss. This post will probably look stupidly long due to all the quotes, but I'll keep all the responses to the quotes brief and easy to read.

asa said:
CHARACTER CLAIMING IS BANNED I AM SORRY

He character claimed early on for who knows what reason as unkillable invincible all powerful Kirby or whatever it was and MrL has since actually revealed himself to be Last Hope Innocent Child Kirby.

I get he was making a joke about something that happened in a previous game but I'm just pointing out everything for sake of completion.

asa said:
PART 2 - ETA TBD

asa said:
Part 2 is coming. If it's not out by end of tomorrow then go ahead and lynch me.

Part 2 never came by the way. Was he hoping we forgot about this? Rather than attempting any sort of Part 2 post he moved over to trying to get JEANS lynched instead.

Clearly he still thinks I'm anti town so what's the problem chief? You got cold feet or what? I'm still waiting.

asa said:
Why are bijou and lt trying so hard to give JEANS outs to live through this lynch?

After JEANS claimed doctor the correct town thing to do would have been to re-evaluate whether or not his claim was plausible. Doctor is a HUGE role for town in this game especially given there are two mafia factions.

Asa did not even consider JEANS doctor claim for a second and proceeded to throw suspicion onto the players who were actually doing the right thing and taking a step back for a moment.

Asa seemed way too eager to want to kill JEANS despite his doctor claim. I know JEANS looked suspicious the entire time but for a player who thinks so highly of his mafia ability then Asa did not make the optimal play for town here. In fact he didn't even seem to consider it whatsoever. This is the biggest sign of him being anti town.

asa said:
It's common knowledge by now (I hope) that Bijou isn't exactly sitting in my "Leaning Town" pile

I'll call them out now, so that when you flip scum, I'll look like a god.

This seems like the kind of post an anti town player would make. I'm betting Asa thought JEANS and I were part of the 'other' mafia faction and by calling us out he would make himself look town by lynching us.

The important part to note here is he never takes the towns best interests in consideration this whole time. He's more concerned about how HE looks.

asa said:
Following this and Maribro sentiments I'm going to throw my vote on Boozer. I would like to hear thoughts on d1

Vote boozer

Asa voted for Boozer right after I had placed pressure onto him at the start of the day without even responding to my vote whatsoever. Looks like an attempt to deflect discussion away from him.

Boozer has replied to you already by the way, is there any reason in particular you're still voting for him?

You did the same thing with JEANS by voting him early and then never taking your vote off. Is the tactic to vote early for someone so we can't read into your vote patterns or what?

His other votes were equally as lazy and arguably deflected attention off himself too:

asa said:Yeah I agree with Aero
Vote Bijou

Asa was in hot water about the character claiming thing at the time and deflected discussion away from this by trying to make a big deal out of what I said about setup discussion.

asa said:Let's find out
Vote JEANS

JEANS was constantly attacking Asa wanting the mods to mod kill him for character claiming etc. As soon as JEANS made one slip up Asa instantly voted him here and never jumped off.

He didn't make this vote with the intention of asking him further info about why he'd posted the Dharkon thing, he was doing it because he saw an opportunity to vote for someone who was vocal against him. You will note that other players who voted JEANS for the same post did so to get further information regarding it.

Again this is another clear example of Asa playing for what suits his own best interests rather than doing anything to help town.

Please let me know your thoughts on the above. Hopefully the length doesn't scare people off but if you want a TL;DR then I suppose this is it:

The way Asa has been playing has his own benefit in mind rather than the best interests of the town. Discuss.

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04/13/2019 03:44:02

I agree with all that. And yet voting for him is scary because I think he might just be village idiot?

(Also I think part 2 might have been that one big post from before that kind of said nothin')

There's been a lack of progress the last few days though and I don't think the cases made against anyone else have been that solid. I thought Blaze was mafia but I'm unsure if his defense is actually his own or manufactured by mafia teammates since it's kind of solid this time?

Vote: asa

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04/13/2019 05:14:37

i’ve been a little busy / lazy lately so haven’t really been posting as much.

We haven’t received confirmation that the deadline’s being extended so I’ll play as if it won’t be? And jump on a bandwagon a little later tonight as I’m going out soon for a few hours.

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04/13/2019 07:40:27

I have internet now so I've started to go over everything again, I should be more active as well. I think it's likely that there will be an extension with how much nothing has gone on in day 2 but in case there isn't I'll go over my thoughts of the current lynch trains.

Asa: Has the most evidence stacked against him at the moment and I think if we can't find anyone better then he'll be it but a couple of things are making me less inclined to vote for now:
1) he hasn't had a chance to defend himself since Bijou made his post
2) if he is a part of the mafia I don't think how he's been playing would be helpful to them either with how persistent he was with an unconfirmed read and is giving me Mr.L read vibes because of it.

Laggy: Seems pretty inattentive with not knowing that Mr L was an innocent child but other than that we really have nothing to go off with him. Maybe lynch him because of inactivity but since there are a couple of people with the same sort of activity I don't know whether that would be the best idea.

Blaze: Read my last post for more details but at the moment I think he could just lost at the moment with his limited experience.

Boozer: I think it's kind of weird that boozer would vote for maribro for voting for mr L when there was clearly no intention of lynching him (weird situation all round to be fair) but apart from that he hasn't said much that I can actually look into. He's basically in the same boat as laggy. I don't know what to think of him right now.

Maribro: I haven't fully gone over Maribro's posts yet but from where I stand right now the voting for Mr.L thing was and his change of approach post was a bit fishy but I'm leaning town for him right. I'll be going over his posts tonight to make sure I'm not making a mistake here but for now that's what I think.

I'll be back later tonight once I've thought this through a bit more.

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04/13/2019 11:01:14

Okay, so given the vote results in the mafia Discord (and also my likely movements over the Easter weekend), I'm extending the deadline to 12 noon, Friday 19/4/19. I'll update the thread later.

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04/13/2019 16:14:24

Maribro said:
Please do pay attention. This is honestly such a weird slip up, have you actually not been reading the thread? I can't even accuse your behaviour as lurking.

definitely doesnt feel like lurking. either he hasnt been paying attention/feigning interest to be enigmatic or hes just an uninterested townie. either way i dont feel like thats a positive for town.

the way he's been holding his thoughts is pretty anti-town too imo

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04/14/2019 03:00:49